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QUOTE (Tony @ May 25, 2017 -> 02:52 AM) With that said, I've never understood the crowd of "Throw them out, they are 100% meaningless, dumbest stat in the world." What is it hurting? It's information. but why throw a stat out completely? With all due respect to you, if you are a sabes guy, it's because MANY of the Sabes people are braggarts who want everybody to know they are Sabes people and scoff at the old regular stats. For pitchers that would be W/L, ERA, strikeouts to walks. For hitters it's BA, 2B, 3B, HR, SB, the old "League Leaders" categories that meant something. The old stats are scoffed at by the sabes people. That's the way it is. BA/HR/RBI means very little now because of Sabes.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 25, 2017 -> 02:34 AM) Trump didn't let Spicer meet the Pope, such a scummy move. Spicer is a Catholic, but more important to let Jared and Ivanka meet him. Really shows the type of human Trump is. I didn't read the story yet but this is degrading. If I were Spicer I damn well would have met the Pope and resigned if Trump called me on it. I mean did Spicer have to hide in the corner while everybody else was meeting the Pope?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:59 PM) My favorite argument is that 20 year olds dont need insurance. Has anyone BEEN to a doctor on a college campus? Its full as f***. Any 22-35 year old (young working adult) that is not obese is probably enjoying an active lifestyle: playing basketball, softball, tennis, s*** maybe baseball and pick up hockey) and guess what, in that span that young working adult is probably going to break something or tear ligaments. And with costs the way they will be, those injuries/surgeries would be enough to put a person on the streets homeless. Fix healthcare, America! We shouldn't all be homeless someday because we are tossed on the street after a broken leg or illness. What's it going to cost to have a baby if there are any complications at all???

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 11:39 PM) Yes, Gregster. The current House bill, without any bipartisan elements, is polling 22 points less popular than even Donald Trump. That's amazing. Senate doesn't want to give up their majority in two years (despite numerous Dems compared to Republican seats up for re-election in 2018.) Well they better damn well vote it down. I mean you are talking about crippling 50 million Americans or more? That means 50 million homeless people coming up? Wow.

If Renteria is a bunt guy, get rid of him as soon as the team gets good again. Bunting is proven hazardous to a team's chances of scoring.

QUOTE (Tony @ May 25, 2017 -> 01:30 AM) And your bat-s*** crazy theory is all based on what the Royals announcers said last night on the broadcast, correct? No, they were acting like wins and losses were still important which got my mind rolling because this board despises the W/L stat.

There was no reason to keep Q after we traded Sale. Deal shoulda been struck in the offseason if they were planning on trading him at all. You never take a chance on a guy having a stellar year when you are planning to trade him. Now if we want to keep Q, never mind.

QUOTE (Tony @ May 25, 2017 -> 12:44 AM) At this point, do you even know what argument you are trying to make? Is it really that you believe no starting pitchers will ever make the Baseball Hall of Fame again? Is that what you are really trying to argue? Actually no pitchers at all who are early to mid career. I don't know which guys are eligible right now that might get in cause they are close to 300 wins, but yeah, I don't see anybody ever getting in counting guys early to mid career. Nobody cares about wins any more and that's all they used to care about regarding Hall starters. Closers' careers are short now, so the media won't vote them in for 4-5 dominant seasons alone.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:57 PM) Maybe. He still was really good. What I don't understand is all the Hawk haters who always slam him for his lack of sabermetric use, but love Stone, who seems to base how good any pitcher is by wins. In Stone's era wins were ALL that mattered. The newspapers ran the standings with probable starters and you looked at wins and losses. QUOTE (Sox-35th @ May 24, 2017 -> 07:01 PM) It's more the way the game is played now. The fact is, wins don't really mean anything. The fact that you can blow a save and still get a win is stupid. And starters only pitch 6-7 innings now anyway. It just doesn't make sense as a stat anymore. Well, they might as well announce that no modern starting pitchers will ever get in the hall again. Cause nobody's gonna win 250 games anymore (which still wasn't enough; you needed 300 by gawd to get in) and if guys are only going six innings they won't have the strikeout totals either to impress. Also if guys are losing 1-2 seasons of a career to tommy john surgery, even more reason for no Hall of Fame. Closers? Doubtful because they only dominate 4-5 years and that's not long enough domination to be worthy of Hall. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 24, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) Man, Greg thought this was the ultimate "GOTCHA" thread, didn't he? For a guy who is despised, I talk about things that people pay attention to. They respond to me as much as you despise me. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 24, 2017 -> 11:46 PM) And he hasn't given a single opinion of what he thinks the criteria should be. Just repeating "sabes!" Part of my angst is I still like wins and losses as a stat. The criteria? None. None of these guys are going to make the hall cause they aren't going to stack up to the guys who won 300 games. The voters won't have it. There is no criteria available that is gonna help these pitchers out in regards to the Hall.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 24, 2017 -> 08:04 PM) Greg's opinion is a nice look into that headline influence vs actual facts. Fear mongering is a very effective way to control the narrative. Just remember I predicted us attacking N Korea when it occurs.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:35 PM) It was passed by the house. I know. Can't Senate reject it?

There's so much outrage today about this new health care plan. Look, it hasn't passed yet. If it's not reviewed closely and rejected by the House then that is as bad as Trump proposing it. Just reject it if it's so bad. Why would it pass into law?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 24, 2017 -> 07:23 PM) You being sad has nothing to do with it. Are you saying there is more violence in the world right now than there ever has been? I just want to make sure this is clear. I think once the war begins over the Korea situation, yes, at that point more violence than ever. It figures to be a major war, to go with all the incidents, mass killings.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 24, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) Compared to when? More now than ever. Are you not concerned and saddened about this? I can't believe I'm being ripped for being sad about this incident. This country is in deep trouble as is the world. The moment N. Korea has capability of tossing a nuke at US soil, you don't think that will happen? And not waiting for that ... you don't think Trump will start something soon vs. Korea?? These are dangerous times.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ May 24, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Doesn't take much imagining to know the Sox still wouldn't be a playoff team It could have been a "possible" playoff team except for the continued piss poor defense. You've got an outfield of Melky, Eaton and Avi. Only Melky blows and sometimes he is serviceable. You've got Frazier, Anderson, Saladino and Jose Abreu. True, Frazier and Saladino suck but "on paper" a career year from Frazier and last year's hitting from Saladino would have been potentially good. We always said we'd need to acquire a catcher via free agency or trade in a contending scenario. Also DH would have needed an upgrade. Then you got Sale and Q, best 1-2 punch in the division with arguably a lock down closer. You have Rodon and Holland would have been an OK No. 5 with everybody saying one of our minor league phenoms will probably be called up in early June. But to win this division? Certainly the Sox could have contended with Sale and Eaton and some tinkering IF some things fell into place. The team would have had to make the usual 1-3 offseason moves and hope they were significant enough to help the team, though.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 24, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) You are correct that this is an issue, but the source is very clear. I'm glad you say it's an issue as you are a great writer. I just am amazed and shocked when people discuss pitchers for the Hall and bring up wins still.

QUOTE (ptatc @ May 24, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) How would you determine that Hernandez is one of the best pitchers of all time? He has 150 wins, not bad in this era, but wins no longer are considered anything to look at. So what do you look at? Somebody said "how dominant a pitcher was in his era." How do you determine dominance? For those who still look at wins, and we're told we shouldn't, he was 19-5 one year, then 13-12, 14-14, 13-9, 12-10 followed by domination of 15-6 and 18-9. Pretty good, there, but again wins are not a factor. So is it ERA only? He's got a 3.18 career ERA, pretty darn good. Is is strikeouts? He's got a zillion of those. I'd guess he should be in the Hall of Fame as he did dominate. But ... he's 31. Let's say he is human the rest of the way and barely tops 200 win total. Like I said many pitchers in the past weren't even considered ONLY because they had 'just' 200 wins and were not near the coveted 300 mark. I'm thinking very very few if any starters will be named to the Hall in the future. And relievers? Most great ones "dominate" for 4-5 years then they are done. Do they get in just cause of huge save totals in a four-year period?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) Lackey has 180 wins, no way for him. WINS MEAN NOTHING I've been told over and over. So how can you say this? Wins shouldn't be in the discussion. QUOTE (Sox-35th @ May 24, 2017 -> 03:23 PM) The good GMs in baseball know pitching wins mean nothing. They are completely meaningless. And yet wins have been THE major argument for or against a pitcher's going to the Hall. "He had (fill in the blank) 20-win seasons." "He won 25 games one year." My point is no pitchers will be getting in the Hall ever again except relievers because saves still mean something to the Sabes people.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ May 24, 2017 -> 04:54 AM) Saying that wins "mean nothing" is an extreme position that I'm not sure anyone would take. That said, I think it's completely reasonable to acknowledge that wins are far more a product of overall team performance and run support received by a pitcher than they are a product of pitcher performance. I don't think anyone would argue that a 20 win pitcher with a 4 ERA is better than a 10 win pitcher with a 3 ERA, given equal or nearly equal innings pitched. So how do guys get in the Hall of Fame from now on? What criteria?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:48 AM) Why were you listening to the Royals' game? Was the Sox game not coming in by you? I was in the car. I live in KC area. I watched Sox fifth til eighth and turned it off after the second bunt attempt. Couldnt take it any more.

This loss is on Renteria for the bunting nonsense. Took the bats out of our hands. If he keeps this up I may become a Rick hater. The modern big leaguer CANNOT bunt as proven again tonight. Stop bunting Rick! Please Mr. Hahn go tell him to cut it out (unless team is trying to tank).

I was listening to Royals game and they were saying how some pitcher, I forget which one, wouldn't be elected to the Hall cause he didn't have near enough wins. WAIT a minute! I thought in the new sabes era wins mean NOTHING. So sabes people. No more starting pitchers get in the Hall again? Unless they have some ridiculous amount of strikeouts? Or the Hall will only be for relievers with the good new-wave Sabes stats? People can't have it both ways. Do wins mean nothing or not? Are voters still going to look at wins for Hall of Fame selection? A lot of starters have been denied the Hall cause of the old stats WINS vs LOSSES. Should all pitchers who got excluded for not being near 300 wins be re-assessed in the era of Sabes? I mean, think about all the pitchers who are in the Hall because of wins and I've been told by the Sabes people wins mean NOTHING. Hmmm.

QUOTE (harkness @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:18 AM) Ricky this isn't fastpitch softball... stop all the f******* bunting. Bunting takes all the aggressiveness out of an inning. You go from being the aggressor to praying some hitter can get a decent bunt in play. It's proven that it kills the odds of scoring. Just stop doing it. A GM like Hahn who is a sabes guy should explain it to him and tell him he wants no more bunts once the team is a contender.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ May 24, 2017 -> 05:15 AM) Narvaez is garbage. Hawk and Stoney thought he'd put the ball in play. The pitcher had different ideas. Blew him away quickly.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 01:08 AM) Greg, if this happened while Obama/Clinton was president, you'd be pushing for A LOT more harshness in the response than this...I'm shocked you are not more upset about this whole situation, with the number of young kids and teenagers who died simply exiting a concert (many of them had parents waiting outside to pick them up)...with nails and screws and shrapnel riddling their bodies. (Not to mention your propensity for bringing up similar theatre/movie/concert attacks like the one in Colorado when Batman came out, James whatever his name was). Words like "demon/ic," "monster," "pure evil," "soulless," etc., would be bandied back and forth. And do you still believe they shouldn't be publicizing details about the killer, his family, his origin...glamorizing violence "mass murders"? Does it matter if they're non-American, vs. homegrown terrorism? Muslim? I'm very very upset but right now I'm just sad for some reason. As far as the perpetrator, for some reason (at this time) I'm not that interested in who he is. this just saddens me right now and makes me think the world is coming to an end soon. Lot of violence.