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QUOTE (Tony @ May 31, 2017 -> 06:46 PM) Your exact words: "OK fine but I can't believe many people on here aren't horrified by Griffin." This isn't about having a discussion. We are already doing that. You made the statement that you are surprised more people aren't "horrified" by her. So I ask again. What more do you want from people? Read some of the initial posts from people on here. The best you could get out of them was a "yeah, but...." response. Yeah I was surprised more people weren't horrified by Griffin and her actions. But I defend her right to do this. She didn't break any laws and free speech is the best. In some countries she'd be murdered by now for what she did. Here you have the right to do it and I applaud that right 100 percent. However I did expect more condemnation on here from the Trump haters because Griffin's actions were pretty horrific. UNLESS I'm missing the Warhol-excellence of her artisticic display. Maybe this will be remembered as one of the great expressions of art of all time, like Warhol's Campbell soup display. If I'm missing something excellent, shame on me. Though I was never a big fan of Kathy Griffin, I did think she was moderately funny on New Year's Rockin Eve show with Anderson Cooper.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2017 -> 06:43 PM) So Trump tried to hint Barron was affected by it. Did they show it to him or did he find it on his own? If he found it on his own, I'm sure he would have easily found the grab em by the p**** stuff. What was his take on that? Personally, while I think the entire thing was wrong, I think Trump is using his kid for sympathy. That is also disgusting. Maybe not as much, but disgusting. Not a bad take. It's pretty obvious Trump's kid hadn't seen it yet until Donny showed him the pic. Nobody's going to talk about that at school, if school is still in session. I doubt the kid at 10 surfs all the news websites like tmz.com and Twitter. Your take is reasonable. Nobody ever said Trump wasn't disgusting himself. He is a creep no doubt. And assuredly he lied about this. Somebody should call him on it and figure out if Trump's kid did see it, how did he see it? Trump probably showed him the pic.

QUOTE (Tony @ May 31, 2017 -> 06:37 PM) It's 2017 and we just went through the election. Using the word "horrified" to describe ANYTHING Kathy Griffin does is ridiculous. She's an idiot. It was a terrible PR stunt gone wrong and her career is going to pay for it, as it should. What more do you want? Well, I personally saw it on Twitter where it was posted and HAD to look at it as I use Twitter. So it was thrust upon me giving me the right (I thought) to express displeasure about it during the news cycle of the incident. What more do I want? I don't think it's unreasonable to discuss it and give an opinion on it since we're not even 24 hours removed from the initial post of it on Twitter where I had to look at it and go, OMG that's Trump's head, WTF is this? What kind of question is, 'What more do I want?" Can't we discuss things that happen, even when it involves criticizing a Trump hater?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 31, 2017 -> 06:28 PM) I thought you hated the PC police, Greg? I thought you were all about people speaking their mind? She definitely has the right to do what she did. I applaud her use of Free Speech. I have no problems with her doing "what" she did. Personally? I was grossed out by it. I don't think it was funny. As you may recall I wrote some stuff on here about how we have to add having our heads chopped off to the list of things we need to worry about every day walking the streets or going to the movies. At any moment somebody might come out of nowhere and chop our heads off. So PERSONALLY I didn't like it. Generally I didn't like it as it depicts murder of the president. As far as her right to do it? I applaud her for using her free speech ticket. But like Sinead O'Connor, she will pay with the end of her career. In short ... I love we live in a country where you can do something like that and not get arrested or killed in response by the president who you implied you wanted dead (I know, it's a joke) ... but I also am PERSONALLY turned off by it and feel with free speech comes repercussions and for her that means the end of her career. But I am all for her speaking her mind. I think I have the right to be personally grossed out and offended and concerned. I mean nobody can really explain the joke or the message it was supposed to convey. We haven't had Andy Warhol-like humor in a while; I guess it was Warhol-ish.

Man this disgusting incident is bringing out the "yeah, but ...." crowd. It's pretty horrifying to hold up a decapitated fake head with fake blood dripping down in the video portion. And it's clearly Trump being depicted. Pretty gross and inappropriate and f***ing stupid all at the same time. Definitely not good comedy. Yeah I guess we could bring up all the other incidents like the hanging in effigy of President Obama and Ted Nugent and all that and get mad about them as well. But this one is current. It was despicable and yeah, I do hope her career is ruined over it. There's a chance it could be. She mainly does standup gigs. Vegas now wants nothing to do with her and the smaller venues won't touch her as well. Maybe we who hate it are snowflakes. I just don't care to joke about cutting peoples heads off when that actually is a tactic of one of our enemy's. I guess some of you want to bring up all the horrible examples of inappropriate behavior. OK fine but I can't believe many people on here aren't horrified by Griffin.

Golden State in four or five. Granted the regular seasons means nothing, but GS had a much better season and it's the Warriors' year. Bet the house on GS in four or five, covering the spread in the wins.

So Kathy Griffin the comic thought it was wise/funny to hold a severed bloodied head (fake of course) of Trump in a photo shoot that was all over TMZ and other outlets. The head was pretty grotesque as in the video portion of the shoot, the head is dripping fake blood, etc., pretty gross and the immediate response of anybody with a brain is it's very unappealing to the eye. Some might even conjure images of ISIS beheading people. Any way... There's been an uproar on social media. She's already issued an apology on Twitter and Facebook. Already MGM resorts in Vegas says she has no concerts with them in future; some casino canceled her upcoming appearance; CNN says it will assess her role on New Year's Rockin Eve; Anderson Cooper denounced what she did. People are calling for boycotts of anybody who has anything to do with her. All I can say is ... unwise career move for Ms. Griffin. The photo looks pretty realistic. It's not funny in any way. Makes you wonder how people with a brain make these type career decisions. Even if it went over well with the anti Trump people (which it hasn't; Chelsea Clinton called it "vile") you would think she'd know it's career suicide. How can anybody risk having her perform in their club/casino/TV show when there could be violence at said club/casino/TV show in response to her violent picture? What do u guys think? I think Griffin made a big mistake and the country is outraged. Free Speech is AWESOME but with it come consequences. And by holding up a severed fake head of Trump, she probably has pulled a Sinead O'Connor and could be done. What do u say?? p.s. This has been a weird Tuesday for greg. Melky becomes one of my all time faves by batting and getting a hit after getting hit HARD in the face with a foul ball and Chelsea Clinton is one of the first celebrities to denounce what Griffin did. I'm already a fan of Melky for life now. And I am feeling pretty positive vibes toward Chelsea at this time, taking a stand so quickly against Ms. Griffin's distasteful display.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 31, 2017 -> 04:12 AM) One thing about this team is they don't give up That's something I've never taken too much stock in. I don't think many teams flat out quit, sports cliches be darned. I do LOVE what Melky did tonight. So cool. He showed guts. I respect you Melky.

They should eject the nut on the broadcast who is doing the Howard Dean scream.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 31, 2017 -> 03:56 AM) We can still win this year Yes! Leave it to Elrockin to end on a high note! Elrockin I worship you, but how can you look at this roster and see anything but last place in the Central?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 31, 2017 -> 03:17 AM) I don't think he's a starting pitcher, but also if the Sox lost two more games that year, they would have got Benintendi Cool. At least you admit Fulmer may be a bust. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 31, 2017 -> 03:31 AM) You keep saying Pedro Alvarez and Mike Trout like they are ultimate trump cards in this argument you keep dragging out. A draft is tricky for any team, any sport. Players improve at different rates, they regress, some of them plateau. That doesn't mean you completely discount draft position and say "who f***ing cares where we pick? I might get a Mike Trout anywhere." Some players like Bonds and Harper and Griffey actually live up to the billing where they are drafted and made their teams contenders. Fulmer might be a bust he might figure it out and be a mainstay in the rotation. Nobody knows what he is yet Yeah, but if you are looking at this logically, the risk of the draft is what "should" prevent teams from tanking and fans wanting their team to lose. The obvious pick might be a huge bust. In the meantime the joy of winning can not be denied. Look at this season, what if you are a 7th grader Sox fan. You are watching the game with your dad and all excited, but dad inexplicably gets mad and says, "Dammit we need to lose this game!" "Why dad?" "Cause we need the best draft pick possible during this rebuild, son! Don't you get it??"

You will never hear me blast Melky again. For him to do what he just did was legendary. Melky baby! I now am OK with Melky signing an extension if he wishes.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 31, 2017 -> 04:10 AM) Arguing that Fulmer is a bad pick and believing meaningless wins in a non-contending season are important is just comical to me Do you agree Fulmer has been trash this season in terms of his stuff? I'm really surprised a guy as smart as you thinks it's OK to root for losses. I mean the reward from rooting for losses is a .... better draft pick. Pedro Alvarez ... Mike Trout are calling you on this one.

It's obvious Q will be a White Sox the rest of the season. Nobody's going to give up anything of note for him. The question is ... why does he reek? He had that one game where he was the old Q, but aside from that he's been Humber-like. So let's settle down and forget about trading him. It ain't gonna happen so let's hope for the best and hope he becomes Q again.

Too bad our bats have died. This would have been a nice game to outscore the Bosox.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 31, 2017 -> 04:02 AM) You know who was managing the White Sox 10 years ago, right? Ozzie was bad at the end, but I contend he's the best manager in Sox history. Yes, he beats out Al Lopez who led the Sox to the World Series in 1959.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2017 -> 09:32 PM) Just more flippant comments. Biden runs for president, despite his family's personal difficulties, and he beats Trump, we're not having this conversation. Merrick Garland is still probably blocked by the GOP for some other lame excuse, though. Then again, Rabbit investigative journalism on the Biden sons' marital relations might have turned the tide to the GOP. Biden couldn't run for gosh sakes, he'd have been lambasted by all Demos. It was Hillary's turn, it was Hillary's time, it was Hillary's right to be President and she had to be the nominee. Biden would have been seen as the creep who ruined the Demos chances of winning by splitting the party during the primaries. Bernie was seen as too clownish to be a real threat. The Democrats put up with him for a while.

QUOTE (Tony @ May 30, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) It's worked out real well the last 10 years. You know who our manager was, right?

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ May 31, 2017 -> 02:08 AM) If the Sox had role players like Yolmer, Leury, Davidson etc playing well in previous seasons the rebuild likely never would have started. If we had a manager the rebuild would not have been necessary. Robin was that bad. Second worst manager in Sox history. To Bevington of course. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2017 -> 02:24 AM) Between Q, Rodon, Giolito (until recently), Lopez, Fulmer...it's a mystifying season for almost all of the Sox pitching prospects other than Kopech. And this game's on a 4+ hour pace. Good god, it has been slow. More like 4 1/2 hours. Fulmer looks like a miserable first-round pick. And many of you live for the draft, for shame. Rodon meanwhile could go either way. QUOTE (oldsox @ May 31, 2017 -> 02:37 AM) This loss is on Renteria. ?????? QUOTE (flavum @ May 31, 2017 -> 02:44 AM) This is Quintana's 162nd career start. The Sox are 74-87 in his starts. I've been told so many times on this board wins and losses mean NOTHING. So throw that stat out please. I'm surprised Sale sucked tonight. Thought he'd throw a one-hitter or no no with about 15 Ks. His pitches were for the most part screaming "hit me" just like Q's pitches.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 30, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) One thing I think we can take from the season so far is that the AL Central is pretty bad. We have done very well against it, but pretty badly against the rest of baseball. That's what I was saying, why I want to try to win it every year. Our division sucks.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 29, 2017 -> 09:25 PM) I know we can't be fair to greg but he said he wasn't sure if it was Mizzou or not. I can't keep track of all the bulls*** the kids at Mizzou do either. The school that did it was Dartmouth. Also happened at Michigan. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov...-white-student/ Thank u rabbit. You are fair to Greg! I like it.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ May 29, 2017 -> 11:22 PM) I'm a White Sox fan, I want them to win no matter what. If they lose, and move for more young specs that's OK too. All told, I am enjoying this season. I love the win no matter what guys! Put me in that category. There's you, me, El Rockin, Eminor3 who else? Just.Win.Baby.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2017 -> 02:59 AM) Greg, his "bunting" has led to the 7th best runs scored/runs allowed differential in all of baseball...and a better record (percentage-wise) than the 2016 team with Sale, Eaton and Nate Jones recorded. As it stands today, we'd have the 13th pick in the 2018 draft. One of the 3-5 candidates for Manager of the Year. Hinch of the Astros would win it, hands down, if the voting were held today. Thing is ... bunting has jumped the shark. Those who bunt are not deemed good skippers.

He has no chance since he's an advocate of bunting. That means he's a relic. Can't survive if you approve of the bunt.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2017 -> 03:04 AM) The only "bad" thing right now is we currently are sitting with the 13th pick in the draft (nowhere close to Top 3-5)...but, even more concerning for potential trade deadline deals, we're now being joined by more and more teams in dumping talent on the trade market. You've got the Angels who will have to fold with Trout out 5-8 weeks, the Royals will be starting a huge firesale with Duffy down and blowing yet another game tonight against DET (starting with Moustakas, Hosmer, Cain, Herrera and Vargas), the Astros are so completely burying everyone in their division that the Angels will probably have to think about getting what they can for some of the assets on their roster...not that they have many with huge value. The Tigers have to decide if they want to max out any trade value for the likes of JD Martinez, Ian Kinsler, Avila, etc., or try to hold on and battle with the Indians for the division. The odds of them being able to compete all year long with CLE are slim, and none. Right now, we're only going to be able to deal Swarzak and Holland at higher value. Robertson, although we might have to eat some salary depending on who we trade him to. Cabrera and Frazier are "trending up" in value but still far from the best situation to deal them for prospects. Then you have MiGo and Shields, who hopefully comes back soon. Don't worry. By the time it shakes out we'll have the worst record in AL or second worst. Talent prevails and we don't have the talent that will win on the road and go no better than .450 at home. Royals won't totally clean house. I predict they'll bring back Moose,Herrera and Vargas. Hosmer and Cain will be dealt or walk on their own. Cain blows. He won't bring much. Hosmer won't bring much as a rental. They'll keep him til the end of year and try to sign him. In short, they'll bring back Moose for sure. Maybe Hosmer. Herrera and Vargas are worth nothing in trade value. As far as Sox ... Robertson figures to bring something and we'll deal him. Those veteran pitchers will bring NOTHING. Holland, gonzalez Pelphrey are not bringing anything. Nate Jones is a walking injury catching up to him with the horrific pitching form and will bring little. Frazier is worth nothing hitting below .200 always. Melky will bring nothing. In summation ... Robertson will be dealt and bring back a decent prospect and a half. Q will be dealt and bring back 2 decent prospects. Everybody else we're stuck with. GO SOX!