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Sale vs the White Sox in the Cell is coming soon. Hate to be a pessimist but it's gonna be sooo ugly. Our lineup is mighty pathetic. I can't even imagine how many strikeouts he's gonna have. Prediction: 1 hitter or maybe even a no no with 17 Ks and we lose 7-0. You gots a prediction? Reasoning?: Chris Sale has nasty stuff; our lineup has overachieved this year so far; he's mighty motivated after the scissors game and the suspension.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 28, 2017 -> 06:21 PM) See title. It wasn't contentious, there was good discussion happening. No personal attacks. Do mods serious get to decide what gets discussed now, even if it's not violating any rules of the board? That's pretty messed up. I knew it was doomed after I read Caulfield's title of the thread. It should be closed. People won't change their minds so it's just a battleground. Nobody is racist on here but it eventually was gonna turn into people getting accused of that I bet. IMO it might have lasted as a thread with a different title.

QUOTE (ypres @ May 27, 2017 -> 06:30 PM) I'm white, and I grew up in poverty. And until I quit school and started working in a factory I lived below the poverty line. I don't think my race had anything to do with that. The white privilege mob has no compassion for situations like yours. Hope you are doing well financially now.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ May 27, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) Is there somewhere to sign up for the benefits of this white privilege?? I don't think I've ever received mine. Maybe I missed the sign up somewhere. Good post. QUOTE (Reddy @ May 27, 2017 -> 02:21 PM) This is the kicker right? Starting out a mile ahead in a marathon doesn't inherently mean you know how to run it. You'll obviously never consider changing your position and I won't consider changing mine that's for sure. QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 27, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) Again, you speak in absolutes & generalities, and couldn't be further wrong. There are plenty of universities & companies that discriminate against white all in the name of diversity. If you are a person of color with talent and/or strong credentials, I'd argue that in today's corporate environment you actually have an advantage over a similar skilled white person. The value of diversity is screamed out at every business school across the country and most companies are actively pursuing it now. If you ever had a real job (aren't you model when you're not leading the Resistance) you would know this. The average African American no doubt has more challenges than the average white person due to economic factors that restrict opportunities & education. I don't need statistics to tell me that more blacks suffer from poverty than whites and I know well that poverty is a viscous cycle that holds back opportunity for years to come. But there are plenty of whites who also face these challenges and do not start off "a mile ahead". These people deserve the same compassion as the African Americans you fight so hard to support. Again, using blanket generalizations is working against you and makes you come off a know nothing know it all asshole. Good post. The white privilege gangs should read this, but they would laugh and you and say you don't get it and demand you acknowledge your privilege.

QUOTE (FT35 @ May 26, 2017 -> 06:12 PM) BTW I left Rizzo off intentionally. The power numbers are there, but a .266 career hitter will have a tough case to make--especially as a first baseman. Votto is a good one--he's kind of Paul Konerko plus an MVP minus a ring. Sale could gain steam with a few more dominating years and a ring or 2--still a lot to accomplish. Not that rings have much barring on the HOF--just being with Boston and winning a couple couldn't hurt his case. Who cares about batting average? The sabes people don't give a flip about BA.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 27, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) Saladino remember had disc issues in his lower back at the end of last season and through this off season. Those really never go away even with surgery (and I don't know if he had surgery or not). That's a bad situation to have for a professional athlete. Feel sorry for him. His salad days are over as a big leaguer. No longer a prospect after this season's flop at the plate.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 09:49 PM) Yeah, while a fleshing out of how his father's success directly impacted him isn't really there yet, it's a good start, at least. As someone noted, it does read like the Horatio Alger, "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" stories that are essentially still the ideological foundation for many Republicans today. There are a lot of white people on the south side barely scraping by who have always barely scraped by. Like I said, my dad was f***ed basically. Had 3 kids boom boom boom and right off the bat had no money to support any of 'em. I never got around to asking him why he started a family of 3 so quick. Maybe it was simply the Catholic thing, but I doubt it. Anyhow, he skyrocketed in his field fairly soon after he moved the family of wife and 3 kids into a relative's house and got to move everybody out, eventually making a ton of money and moving everybody to suburbia, then getting a boat, cottage, paying for everybody's catholic high school and college educations and basically doing the same for my sister's three kids since her hubby was a deadbeat. But the people we left behind in Chicago when we moved to suburbia were basically paycheck to paycheck people with no cash to speak of. Of course the people in Mt. Greenwood were all white, but that's another story. I don't see a lot of privilege in the Mt. Greenwood area when we were growing up there. Nobody had any money or luxuries in those crappy little houses on 103rd street. I find it offensive the white privilege gangs would throw out my story and comments, dismiss them angrily. They would say "but every person on the south side who is white had a chance at least because of their white skin, whereas because of my black skin I don't have a chance (or the same chance).' Which my federal judge friend who is dark Mexican and his successful siblings proved is BULLs***. Their parents had no money and they lived in a shack in KCK basically. They all made millions because of work. Work hard and you stand a chance. I think it's sad that right now the privilege people are laughing at me, saying I am full of s*** for this stance. They feel white privilege is the only reason for my dad's success and other whites. So go ahead and mock me. I never will play the admitting privilege game.

Sox have 12 hits to Tigers 4 and yet this game is far from over. Not complaining, it's been good performance but WTF?? Sox are the kind of team that I expect to lose every night. p.s. Benetti and Stone are amazing together. Stone is so much happier being with Benetti than stodgy grumpy Hawk. Benetti's questions are a little annoying but not too much. And when he asks stoney something dumb, Stoney is funny. He asked how many times bases were loaded and none out in baseball history and team got out of it via forces at home plate 3 times. Stoney said 12 immediately. Good stuff.

QUOTE (RegionSox @ May 26, 2017 -> 06:49 PM) I felt like i was reading a Horatio Alger story. The world is full of anger and sarcasm. People despise and/or mock everybody not in their immediate family. Nobody wants to hear others' takes as seen in the response to my post. The workplace is run by corporate speak as evidenced in the job thread in the filibuster. Sad world we live in. People just want puppets that agree with insane things like the white privilege mob demanding people admit their white privilege. Don't dispute them or dissent, just agree they are right. The president is such a name dropper glory seeker that he leaks info to foreign leaders to feel important. We are in trouble, folks.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 26, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) Are the white privilege gangsters affiliated with the Bloods or the Crips? They should be suspended if caught going up to students in a library who are trying to study.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 06:58 AM) Greg's argument more is about being "forced" or cajoled into admitting to minority groups that he is a "victim of white privilege and has to apologize for his background/being white/being successful, etc." That's a different issue. Greg himself has admitted he went to a private/Catholic school and had access to a very good (albeit strict) morals/ethics-based education. Not everyone has that given to them, and scholarships are limited...obviously. So Greg would PROBABLY admit he feels privileged by the life his parents provided him, the opportunities he's been able to enjoy in life, but NOT that he should be forced or publicly humiliated into castigating himself. That's not unreasonable. Well, you are right in some ways. Your first two lines are correct. I won't apologize to anybody for anything regarding this issue, certainly not somebody rudely demanding me to admit privilege. Your third paragraph ... I feel thankful, not privileged by the life my parents provided me. My dad if he was living probably would have a heart attack over this issue. He was at the point he had no money and had to move his wife and 3 kids into his wife's aunt's house in Beverly for a year. His daddy certainly wasn't giving him any money to bail him out. He then hit the work jackpot, make millions and was able to make sure the kids had everything. Now the white privilege gangs would say no matter what, just the fact he's white, gave him that opportunity to make the millions. That's kind of an insulting nonsequitir. He had nothing and 3 kids and a wife and had to be scared to death. But he became the best in his field and "good at something" (somebody on here suggested Millenials are going to have to get 'good at something' cause jobs aren't gonna be there otherwise in the future) and thus received the benefits in big house in suburbs, vacation home, paid for kids education, still had oodles of cash left. Now is this ALL because of his color? Of course not. If he didn't make it at his work big time, he'd have been on the street and his kids in foster care. He earned it all. But the white privilege people would get in his face if they could and say, 'Admit your white privilege.' He'd probably have to go to prison after beating one of them he'd be so offended in knowing how he did it all through hard work. Now did he get THE CHANCE to show he was capable to his bosses only because of his color? WOuld an African American even have the chance to make it in Chicago especially at that time? I don't even care to go there because of the tactics of the white privilege hooligans. I will say he grew up poor, with just the basics, had to join the Navy because he needed to get out of the house at the time, and turned himself into a wealthy guy because of WORK. Did his white privilege guarantee anything? Of course not. I know tons of recent white college grads who have rich mommies and daddies who are living at home looking for work and the longer the clock ticks, the tougher it will be to get a job in their fields. But does white privilege put you in the game to where you have a chance or a much better chance than an African American to go through the system and make money? Maybe, but it is an insult to all the hard working African Americans and whites to make this a race thing. It accomplishes nothing really. I know a guy of Mexican descent, dark skinned, who grew up in a shack in Kansas City Kansas with his brothers and two sisters. He had NOTHING. He is a federal judge. His two sisters are attorneys in D.C. His brother is an attorney in KC and his other brother is a success in hotels. He did it all on his own, loans, working his ass off in college to meet the right people, join the right clubs, make sure he was an involved student. What the white privilege gangsters don't realize is if they put ALL their energy into developing a plan and attacking it like he did, rather than obsessing over this issue, they would make it. Don't stop until you make it. I realize this take will cause the white privilege people to just shake their head and say, "Ha, what a rich asshole. He doesn't even realize the only reason his dad made it was white privilege and only reason he's made it is white privilege. if he were born African American the odds are stacked so badly against him and his dad he'd be in poverty." ... Well, I tend to think not. My best college buddy the federal judge in KC would argue with you too as would his family of success stories. And as far as this issue ... what difference would it make if every minute of every day white people admitted their privilege? We could wear a certain lapel or belt buckle or something that says we admit our privilege. What the hell good does that accomplish? What is this protest all about? It's a waste of people's energy IMO. If it's not, OK, somebody make all the lapels or wristbands and all the non people of color can wear them as signs of support.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 06:23 AM) I honestly think that was the University of Chicago, Columbia, one of those super elite schools that was having similar PC and safe space debates at the time. Maybe Greg's right and it's Mizzou, but my recollection was it was another university. I could be wrong. Sorry. I don't like the methods. Very rude and selfish and crude and annoying. If they came up to me and I was studying and they pulled that s*** I'd give them a piece of my mind. Wonder if they'd leave or get violent. Hopefully this white privilege protest stuff is lessening.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 26, 2017 -> 04:35 AM) Yeah, no. I understand that you get your information from Rush, but that didn't happen. And if it did, it'd have been one small instance because I can't remember. There was no Mad Max roving gang of social justice. I believe you, but I saw tape. If it wasn't Mizzu library it was some library. I thought it was definitely Mizzou. I didn't like the gang taking over the library. And I remember for a fact one of the students saying they had marched with the gang but had to get a paper done so went back to the library. And still that person got harassed. The people that force you to say White Privilege are selfish bastards who don't even consider the situations of the people they are harassing. I can't be the only one who feels this way, considering the declines in enrollment at schools with the gang of White Privilege protestors running amok last year. Welcome to the real world. If people are ordering others to say they have privilege, well it's the right of those being harassed to transfer away from that bulls*** and try another school.

QUOTE (ron883 @ May 26, 2017 -> 05:21 AM) Did you get this idea from the PC principal south park episodes? No, it was films of the protests at MU in the library where people were harassed while studying. Turns out some of them marched earlier in the night and they still got reamed for not declaring their white privilege. How bout, "Say please." Or hand out Halloween candy to those who agree to declare their "white privilege" in front of the gangs.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 01:32 AM) I thought about the Reddy/Rabbit debate in the other thread and I think the basic point remains that, as a white male, you grow up with a much different life in terms of opportunities, access to education, etc., compared to the AVERAGE Hispanic, African-American or Indian American male. So I considered all the markers or indicators, this stems from a conversation I had on a trip to Peru in 2006 with my white/female fellow American teachers. We had a big debate about whether we were all "rich," because we had passports, the resources/ability to reasonably travel anywhere in the world, and the time to do so (opportunity cost). I thought about my own childhood, which was typical suburban "vanilla white" in the Quad Cities. My father never made a salary of over $44,000 working as a technical writer for the Federal Government, Rock Island Arsenal, and my mother still was able to stay at home with me until middle school and even then she only worked part-time at a local cafeteria and Hardee's (she had only a high school diploma, while my father had done everything but his thesis for a Master's), simply because she wanted to socialize and enjoyed being around people. My salary has never been over that same $44,000 mark, the highest was teaching in the KC Missouri School District and because I had two Master's (which I didn't pay for, due to aforementioned educational opportunities to excel academically), which bumped me higher on the pay scale. My pay here in China is similar, after tax about $3000 per month is left over, so my gross salary before taxes is in the mid 40's range. EDIT: 1A) Only child and always had 10+ presents for Christmas. In fact, one time, my parents got really angry because I counted them all and compared them to other kids and they said I was way too spoiled, haha. Despite just being an "average" white kid in an average Midwest city: 1) I never had to work during high school or university, except summers (and only when I wanted to, and wasn't playing/travelling for sports like soccer and baseball)...my parents allowed me to travel with my high school friends pretty much anywhere we wanted to go, within reason. Some summers, I simply sold baseball cards that my father helped me to obtain by trading his classic stamps/coins, for example, I had every Roberto Clemente TOPPS card except for his rookie year in 1955. So I basically just sold the cards of HoF players/rookie cards to subsidize my expenses, even though I had an allowance and made extra money mowing the lawn or trimming the bushes/shrubs. 2) The hardest summer camp work I had to do was being a summer school activities camp counselor and mowing lawns/landscaping (it was so hot and humid, haha!!!) 3) Went to an excellent suburban school where all of us got high 20's/low 30's on the ACT without even having to work hard, it was just expected of us...my two best friends went to NW, I could have gone to NW or ND but wanted to save my parents money (also because I was going to study English and History) and be closer to my g/f who was still in high school. 4) Got two Master's degrees without having to spend any money due to scholarships based on GRE scores and also subsidies (the second one was subsidized through a program similar to Teach for America)...access to excellent and cheap (just property taxes) education. In fact, the house I grew up in (only lived in two houses while growing up, yet another classic marker of privilege) would only sell for about $115,000 today (3 BR, 2 bath, 2 car garage, typical late 60's/early 70's house). In fact, my mom still lives there. 5) Have enough free time to post "frequently" at SoxTalk but still can afford a nanny for my two year old...what would you say, 90%+ of the posters at SoxTalk are white males between 20-50? The mods could clarify their demographics, but it's mostly white males who have enough time in their lives to consume and discuss sports on a daily basis. 6) Was always able to choose "dream" or "cool" jobs because I never had to worry about money, like working for the Augusta GreenJackets (I did get free rent and a stipend and commissions from sales) for two seasons as Director of Stadium Operations and PR and starting a non-profit with an NFL football player (I agreed to work the first year for $1000/month and free rent at LaQuinta despite him earning an NFL salary for the Broncos and Giants...speaking of privilege, read what became of Arthur Marshall, Jr., as it relates to real estate fraud, glad I quit working for him as I could see it coming a mile away, just like Trump's staffers). 7) Was able to take positions like AmeriCorps Promise Fellow (paying $8-10,000) a year for two years because it was what I wanted to do at the time...my father paid off my Toyota Camry lease (kept for himself) and bought me a used Buick so I could pursue volunteer work for 5 years. In fact, my salary as program director of Youth Volunteer Corps of Greater KC (the program still exists today) was only $27,000 per year, but I could still buy a house for $77,000 and make payments around $500 per month because of savings despite the low salary. How many African-American/Indian/Hispanics in their late 20's can easily access credit for car leases and home loans? NOT MANY. 8) My father started putting money into a ROTH IRA for me when I was just 20 or 21...like an idiot, in the late 1990's, I got frustrated with a conservative/value-oriented mutual fund and got into tech, but how many of those same minority kids are accruing compound interest in their 20's??? The answer is about 3-5%, mostly through 401K employer-based plans. 9) Have been able to travel all around the world, 40+ countries, 47 states...my father brought me to every Civil War battlefield, every historic site in Washington, DC, one summer because he was able to take time off his job. He and my mother also shared their love of reading/history with me as a child, which turned me into a lifetime reader (minority kids typically have a single mother working two jobs, which is why their vocabulary attainment is 2-4,000 words at the same time mine was 20,000). Most of those kids never catch up, they're already starting the 100 meters 10 meters behind before they even start KG. 10) Don't have to worry about retirement or my son's educational expenses due to investments/family trust. 11) Was able to spend the period from 2003-2013 basically traveling all around the world...teaching whenever I needed money (well, I taught full-time about 75% of that, and of course had summers/Christmas/Spring Break, etc. off to travel). Most recently, was able to go to India for three weeks and to Kenya/Tanzania for three weeks in 2013, but have spent a ton of time at all the beaches in Hawaii, Bali, Thailand, Philippines, Goa/Kerala, etc. 12) Because I was a privileged white male and American, was able to date pretty much any woman in the world from 2003 until 2013 (despite being 33-43 years old) because I had money/resources and was American...more white privilege. In fact, how many minority Americans can have a 20 year old Russian model for a wife, or how many can be 45 and marry and have a family with a highly-educated and attractive Chinese woman who's fully fluent in English (her alma mater, Wuhan University, is the equivalent of a lower-rung Chinese version of an Ivy League school), has a good full-time job and is a full 14-15 years younger than me? 13) Besides all that, I eat what I want, I have been able to read pretty much every book and watch every movie or t.v. show that I've ever wanted to (my best friend had a similar life, except he pursued listening to music and going to concerts, his sister went to Harvard Law), for most of my life I was single and could do whatever the heck I wanted to, without having to worry about how much money I made (and, saying that, I never borrowed money from my parents after the age of 22, other than my father subsidizing my car when I was doing national service through AmeriCorps...and one time when I was in the Philippines/Cebu in 2008 and went out every night for 39 nights in a row to a bar/club/disco and lost my ATM card abroad, so had emergency money sent via Western Union). 1-2%? I AM WHITE PRIVILEGE. I AM AMERICAN PRIVILEGE. We can wrap this argument in economics instead of race, but the fact remains I was raised in a very average middle class white family...maybe with the exception being my father was very wise/conservative/prudent about saving and investment. He taught me to never buy a new car, always to pay for everything in cash, never to have a balance on a credit card but that they were very useful for traveling/renting cars, how to invest in the stock market (Buffett/Benjamin Graham/Ayn Rand books galore in our house). Once again, how many minority kids are growing up with those exact same opportunities, to spend the whole year traveling and playing baseball, basketball, soccer, volleyball, cross country, ultimate frisbee....instead of working? About the only thing I didn't do was learn how to play a musical instrument, which I am currently correcting that with my son. Oh, and I didn't get my wish to have a Labrador Retriever growing up. I had to wait until my late 20's when I was living on my own and renting a room in a boarding house when I was making the Federal poverty rate of $8,740 as an AmeriCorps member in 1998 (I did get $4,500 "free" for educational expenses too, in all fairness). How many of those kids actually get to live their dreams of doing volunteer work for five years, but still can afford to buy a house and sell it for $20,000 profit when their base salary is only $27,000? I REST MY CASE. Good post. I still am not into the white privilege thing. Don't like the moniker White Privilege. Don't like the bullying tactics to get you to admit it. I'd rather be beaten to a pulp by a gang of thugs telling me to invoke my "white privilege" than say I have it. Of course I've had some opportunities because of my race and my parents helping me. However there are plenty of rich assholes who have never worked a day in their lives. They've had it MUCH easier and better than me and they are white. There are also African Americans whose parents are rich surgeons and they will be set for life and their kids will be set for life. Should they thank privilege of any kind? What good does it do to say we're privileged. There are hard working people of all races. There are lazy people of all races. In a perfect world the hard workers get rewarded privilege be f***ed.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 03:41 AM) http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports...0522-story.html http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=35223.0 Hello, marketing department!!!! Instead of "5 wins" in June (since the Padres have 15 home games), it would be 4 wins in June, since 4 out of 12 games is the same 33% percentage of games played. With the Padres offering $99 for as many games as it takes the Pads to get to 5 home wins (out of 15 in June), 12/15=80%, the White Sox could do the same for $74.44, $79.99 or $80 or however you want to price it to get to 4 home wins. Theoretically, you could go to 12 games for a price of basically about $6.67 per game (if it lasted through 12), not including parking. Of course, if they reeled off 4 in a row to start, it's hard to imagine being "too upset" about spending even $20 per ticket because those were all Sox wins that you just attended, and $20 is still a very fair price for a big league game. It's such a cool, simple idea...and would be fun for the fans like Greg who actually care about winning games more than the rebuild at this point. sounds great but where do you sit? Upper tank?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 25, 2017 -> 08:32 PM) Is this who we want to represent America? Doesn't matter. We elected him and he stays until impeachment.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 24, 2017 -> 07:57 PM) I think Kershaw is the only active starting pitcher who makes the Hall. Sabathia is borderline but I think he just misses it. Sale would need to be elite into his mid 30s and I don't see it happening. Felix was on track but he's been very mediocre his last few seasons and unless he returns to his previous form (unlikely) I don't see that happening either. If Bumgarner can nab a Cy Young or two I guess he has a shot, but no one else is in the conversation. At least until standards change to reflect the modern era. This is hilarious and makes my point for me. They might as well close the doors of the Hall forever to pitchers. No more players are getting in. These starters aren't even going to sniff 200 wins. And the relievers won't be resilient enough.

QUOTE (Tony @ May 25, 2017 -> 02:52 AM) With that said, I've never understood the crowd of "Throw them out, they are 100% meaningless, dumbest stat in the world." What is it hurting? It's information. but why throw a stat out completely? With all due respect to you, if you are a sabes guy, it's because MANY of the Sabes people are braggarts who want everybody to know they are Sabes people and scoff at the old regular stats. For pitchers that would be W/L, ERA, strikeouts to walks. For hitters it's BA, 2B, 3B, HR, SB, the old "League Leaders" categories that meant something. The old stats are scoffed at by the sabes people. That's the way it is. BA/HR/RBI means very little now because of Sabes.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 25, 2017 -> 02:34 AM) Trump didn't let Spicer meet the Pope, such a scummy move. Spicer is a Catholic, but more important to let Jared and Ivanka meet him. Really shows the type of human Trump is. I didn't read the story yet but this is degrading. If I were Spicer I damn well would have met the Pope and resigned if Trump called me on it. I mean did Spicer have to hide in the corner while everybody else was meeting the Pope?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 24, 2017 -> 09:59 PM) My favorite argument is that 20 year olds dont need insurance. Has anyone BEEN to a doctor on a college campus? Its full as f***. Any 22-35 year old (young working adult) that is not obese is probably enjoying an active lifestyle: playing basketball, softball, tennis, s*** maybe baseball and pick up hockey) and guess what, in that span that young working adult is probably going to break something or tear ligaments. And with costs the way they will be, those injuries/surgeries would be enough to put a person on the streets homeless. Fix healthcare, America! We shouldn't all be homeless someday because we are tossed on the street after a broken leg or illness. What's it going to cost to have a baby if there are any complications at all???

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2017 -> 11:39 PM) Yes, Gregster. The current House bill, without any bipartisan elements, is polling 22 points less popular than even Donald Trump. That's amazing. Senate doesn't want to give up their majority in two years (despite numerous Dems compared to Republican seats up for re-election in 2018.) Well they better damn well vote it down. I mean you are talking about crippling 50 million Americans or more? That means 50 million homeless people coming up? Wow.

If Renteria is a bunt guy, get rid of him as soon as the team gets good again. Bunting is proven hazardous to a team's chances of scoring.

QUOTE (Tony @ May 25, 2017 -> 01:30 AM) And your bat-s*** crazy theory is all based on what the Royals announcers said last night on the broadcast, correct? No, they were acting like wins and losses were still important which got my mind rolling because this board despises the W/L stat.

There was no reason to keep Q after we traded Sale. Deal shoulda been struck in the offseason if they were planning on trading him at all. You never take a chance on a guy having a stellar year when you are planning to trade him. Now if we want to keep Q, never mind.