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QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 25, 2015 -> 09:49 PM) You paint a scenario that makes you right. Actually 100% right and without any room for argument. Based on your situation there would be little or no chance of helping and a prudent person should not add to the problem by shooting. Your example is so tight that 99% of people would agree with you. Now how about it's the guy in front of me who just stood up and is shooting people in front of him. He's close enough for me to see and touch? I like my chances in my scenario. At some point he is going to turn around and start shooting behind him and I'm next in line. Of all the possible scenarios we can start arguing I will agree that probably 90% would result in fleeing or hiding being the much better option than pulling the trigger. I'll concede that point. But it becomes a rather worthless argument. You can hypothetically argue that every person carrying is going to take stupid shots based on your knowledge of gun owners who have qualified to carry. I'm going to argue that people who are carrying in your situation would not return fire in that scenario. I'll also argue that if you were standing next to the guy and he was aiming for your head, you would wish someone would shoot him first. My approach will be much better than the people who are not carrying who will stand up and run towards the nearest exit, in some cases right at the killer, making the killer's shot even easier. You see if you can make gun owners do stupid stuff in your example why can't I make those not carrying do stupid stuff? Does that prove my case any better? Great post. QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 01:01 AM) Y'all are perfect at creating a scene where a gun would not be useful. It is also not very useful when held by a cop ten minutes away. It isn't useful in arguably 90%+ of situations in a theater. With a straight face here are a couple situations where it is useful. If I am close enough to see the shooter clearly, perhaps within 10' to 15' a gun would be extremely useful. If you are hiding between the seats pissing your pants and the gunman turns down your row and is standing over you aiming for your head, a gun is extremely useful to you. If they are aiming at your spouse or child, you will really wish you had one. But if you are too far away to safely take a shot at the murderer in the crowd, you are also safer hiding because he will also have little chance to kill you. His best chance is also your best chance, close up. The only situation worse than a shooting in a movie theater would be sitting in front of a guy shooting in a movie theater. All the environmental factors you mention make it a terrible place to shoot someone. To help your hiding you may wish to wear black clothes. But bottom line y'all are thinking about the person carrying and protecting everyone. I'm thinking about carrying and protecting the people immediately around me. If we are far enough away that I don't have a shot, either will the murderer, so we keep hiding, taking cover, trying to flee. If we come face to face with the killer, then y'all hope for the police to save you, I will, with a straight face, believe my gun will be more useful than your ability to do whatever. Another great post. Tex is right. If the bastard comes up to you and you have a gun ... bang, the perpetrator is DEAD. Tex is the man.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:21 PM) Going to keep beating this drum. If the Sox think they are going to get back in it this week, Soto should be getting playing time at C and DH. No way around it. LaRoche and Flowers are currently two weakest links on the team. You guys act like Geo is Johnny Bench revisited. He's just another guy. Flowers isn't the problem with this team. How many games did he catch in the Cleveland series? Last I looked we won all 4 games in that series.

Hmmm. Would they have taken Shark for Finnegan and Lamb, leaving out the third guy? Finnegan and Lamb both are ready to join the Sox rotation. Did we blow it in not making the deal??

QUOTE (jamesdiego @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:50 AM) This team wants to play. They are playing to stay together and not trade away Shark. If they continue to win until the deadline, then they earn the right to stay together. I guess I might say they are showing us that TWTW. (Oh Hawk, you poet you). Actually F*** Hawk, but this team is playing some good ball. It might be even more fun to watch if we can somehow parlay LaDouch out of here and maybe bring Micah up. Good take. Can't argue with that at all.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:17 AM) Serious question about Samardzija's impending free agency. I was just looking at James Shields' contract which pays him 21M per season covering the 2016/17/18 seasons and a 19 team option of 16M. Shields numbers have gone down despite switching to the NL in a pitchers park , pitching in a division with pitchers parks. Samardzija is about three years younger so just how much is he going to ask for? So about a month or so after signing Shields to that ridiculous contract, the Pods want to get rid of him. Baseball is the best/worst sport, run by idiots. Shortly after signing Shark this offseason, the team that does it will be trying to get rid of him, certainly by midseason. Where is the common sense??? NOBODY is worth this kind of money. Verlander?? LOL, nuff said.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:05 AM) This team needs to go 3 of 4 in BOS and sweep NYY before I can buy in. Just can't let myself believe yet. You are prolly right. This four game sweep of Cleveland is probably one we'll look back and say, how the hell did that happen?

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 09:40 PM) Beat a bad Cleveland team nothing has changed at all. Look at last home stand tells me all I need to know 100% seller. True, but the WAY we beat Cleveland has to make you pause just a bit and say, WTF? I watched a Robin interview and he was saying, "Sometimes it takes a while to finally gel." I mean, I throw up my hands in exasperation. I do believe this team is horsecrap, but I can't PROVE it. So if they want to play out the string with the current players, I think I know what's gonna happen (finish about 10-20 under .500) but I can't prove it. So f*** it ... do whatever you want, Hahn. It's impossible to figure out this team. QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 11:19 PM) We were dominated by 2 good teams, and we beat a bad team. Nothing has changed. Honestly, this continued White Flag paranoia is what is unsaleable. This ceaseless sojourn for some veteran that Kenny Williams believes is "elite" is what needs to stop. I tend to agree nothing has changed, I really do. But ... what if 3B and 2B really have improved this much?? What if this is the real Melky? What if our five starters continue to roll?? If you put a gun to my head I'd agree with you "nothing has changed." I really would. But ...

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:32 AM) I remember the "Sox acquire Jeff Samardzija" thread got like 200 pages of responses. It's sad that in such a short time, the "What can we get when we sell Samardzija" thread exists and has 86 pages. It's amazing how weird this saga is and continues to be. The Sox get Shark and many magazines pick them to win the division with this amazing pitching staff. Then the team plays so putrid and goes on so many weird losing streaks and stretches of abysmal play, most of us give up (El Rockin and maybe 1-2 others kept faith). Now, suddenly Sox are only 5 out of the second wildcard and there is the chance this upcoming trade will be what kills the team's chances once and for all, lol. Moral of the story: Don't play such BAD baseball when you are bad. I mean, ON PAPER, this team continues to be in the wild card race. The trade of Shark, however, figures to doom the team more, unless Johnson is amazing. At this point, I won't even be mad if they keep him and we get a draft pick when we lose him to free agency. I mean, this team is so fricking WEIRD we probably should keep it intact all season to see what ultimately happens. I mean this team is so bizarre LaRoche will probably find his stroke in September and hit 15 homers that month. At this point I'd rather keep Shark then send him away and get ripped off. Like I said, this freakishly weird team will probably go 25-5 in September and win the WC, then loose in the playoffs, cruise to the World Series.

Good win. Great sweep. The Sox did so many anti-Sox things this series, basically mauling a Central Division team. Would be nice to win the opener vs. Boston and show them we've come to play ball. Rodon does look amazing. Can you imagine a rotation of Rodon, Sale, Shark and Q, with a servicable five in Danks, not 5-10 over .500?? Very bizarre season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 08:10 PM) If this is true' why is Terry Francona and a roster not making $150 million a good manager? It is a good argument against managers mattering much. You have to admit though, Dick, the Sox are a dysfunctional team. QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 08:11 PM) Thanks! You know things are changing when a couple months ago that would have cost us the game That's for sure. That error would have opened the floogates for a quick 3 spot and loss. All hail the bizarre White Sox. Today that error didn't matter a bit.

Well those 4 wins make up for a lot of the bizarre losses this season. Hard to believe but that was an impressive sweep out of nowhere. Could we humbly ask you White sox to keep it up?

Uh oh. Time for Robertson to rear back and throw nasty the rest of this inning.

QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 07:53 PM) Wow...some real "fans" here....hoping to lose...wow. It's been fun. I don't think anybody wants 'em to lose. You have to admit this team has been a bizarre squad to follow.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 07:52 PM) Greg, I enjoy your posts. But posts like these where you're just pulling s*** out of your ass really diminish your credibility. Sorry bout that last post. It's such a weird team it always does bizarre stuff. That's why I thought they'd probably go to Boston and reverse this great sweep and get swept. I mean if this lead holds up, Cleveland just pulled a Sox this series. Got swept unexplicably.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 08:45 PM) No it won't. They need to take 4 from Boston too though. 8 straight wins would get them to 50-50. Then they'd still need to go 35-27 to win 85 games. Just such a big hole. I don't want to downplay this possible sweep, but you know this weird team will go to Boston and just get owned. Prolly lose all 4. Please trade, Hahn, trade.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 08:28 PM) I think we've got more to gain by LaRoche somehow bouncing back from this than we do by dumping him. Like Fathom said, it is critical salary relief. He's not worth Francouer money now. Get rid of him.

I want to sweep this series, but it probably will kill all trade talk. What a weird baseball team the Sox have.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) oh he just praises flowers for his handling of pitchers to take attention off his absolute worthlessness at the plate I'm amazed at the Flowers hatred on the board. How many catchers can hit in baseball? Tyler is OK, nothing special but OK.

Get the Dodgers and Blue Jays to start increasing their offers. We can get 3-4 great players for a hot Shark to desperate teams.

I'd have taken Finnegan and Lamb alone for Shark.

He's a democrat so this is the thread for this. I am asking a serious question of you politicos: Is Obama the worst president in the last 48 years?

QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:31 AM) No, they should not sell. The team is starting to gel. They should have gone 2-2 with KC but they blew the Saturday game. And they blew the second Cardinals game. But, why would we trade Shark to Toronto...when we are not even that far behind them and our pitching staff is way above the talent level of theirs? It just makes no sense to me. Look at the teams in front of us. I am not saying we are great, but we played the worst we possibly could play before the All Star break. And all the teams in front of us...they are just bad. And the Twins...just watch. They are going to fall in the next 2 months. We should let it play out. We are kidding ourselves if we think players that we will get in a trade will be of any value. It is wishful thinking. Nobody like Addison Russel will be coming our way. And quite frankly, I am not too impressed with him unless you like a overhyped 2B that can't hit. I like your post. It gives me hope, as well as Hawk saying he won't give up until it's over. BUT ... the way this team has played this season, the bizarre losing streaks and giving away of games via mistakes, I can never believe. And nobody should believe. This team has pretty much flopped until this point and this point is nearing Aug. 1. To think the team can play .650 ball the rest of the way ... it is possible but just way too unlikely. Anybody who believes in this team is flat out crazy IMO. We've been thru this before. SELL and SELL big. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:37 AM) I refuse to have hope. I want to. This pitching staff is good enough that if the White Sox offense is even average, they could make it. But something about fool me once... You can't have hope. The Sox simply caught Cleveland at a great time ... finally! Any time a big series approaches, you can expect the team to return to crap. We're poorly coached and not put together very well. Tomorrow's loss should quell this optimism for a while.

Three wins vs. Cleveland don't make us a contender.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 02:03 AM) Gillaspie got a hit and run scored for Angels tonight. Even if he hits .400 I'll say the Sox made the right move. Good for him, though.

Nice win. Saladino and Sanchez on defense have helped the team be less buffoon-ish. With Melky hitting and Saladino getting hits the lineup has been given a lift. Good win but I am not a believer.