JoeC

Yeah, not really disputing that - just stating that you DO have to give Hahn credit for the 2016 rebuild, including maximizing player value in the years leading up to 2016. No more, no less.

In other words, unless guys live up to their potential?

This is the type of team that you DO hire Ozzie for. I would basically only hire Ozzie in a "break glass in case of emergency" situation. If anyone can do something to turn a ship like this around, it's Ozzie. If he fails, it'll be entertaining as hell.

San Diego seems like they'd overpay, but I'm not sure I trust Hahn trading with them in a deal involving pitchers and prospects.

Not to defend Hahn, but who signed them to those deals, thus maximizing trade valuation? He's fallen completely flat on his face in the "win now" mode, but he did do some good things before.

Shouldn't prevent us from thinking of the worst-case scenario so we can have reality suck a little less in comparison later.

Cynical prediction: Hahn pulls off a trade for Ohtani. Pro: we get a half season of Ohtani. Con: what we get from Ohtani doesn't matter, as the team is so far out of it anyways. We give up any remaining valuable assets that we have left, and Ohtani leaves at the end of the season with no compensation in return, thus leaving us even further barren.

Yes, I can imagine 2022.

The Vaughn pick made sense from a "we need to stockpile the best talent / best bat" strategy. Unfortunately, that strategy is geared for the most success when you have a comprehensive player development strategy, and also can afford NOT to rush guys to the big leagues (meaning, you actually have a pipeline). That means that sometimes, you sacrifice some of the immediate-term production in favor of keeping a prospect down in the minors for just those extra few months or extra season so that he can live up to something resembling his full potential. If you're going to treat prospects as disposable assets and constantly throw them into a "sink or swim" environment like the Sox love to do, then you need to draft based on positional depth and needs... not "take the best bat."

The real comparison needs to be Abreu vs. Benintendi. Vaughn was always going to be on this 2023 team no matter what. It was either keep Abreu around for another year (and keep Vaughn in OF / DH / 1B limbo) or replace Abreu with a LFer (Benintendi).

"For how much?" -Hahn

Why is there no "this makes me want to cry" reaction option?

Yes. Retrospection post / thread will be forthcoming.

Can we let the Sox know that we didn't have our gamethread up in time for the game? Ask for a re-do?

Does he have any kids they can kick out of the clubhouse?

Hey now - I'm not fat.

Sorry. You can personally hold me accountable for this, because accountability is not an issue with me.

Top of the 4th already according to mlb app

Over/under on how many hits he gets against us the rest of the year?

My favorite (useless) Angels tidbit: If you translate their name (The Los Angeles Angels), it comes out as “The The Angels Angels.” Please let this game and game thread be more entertaining than this post.

Might as well do it

My wife commented on the ugly home run celebration hat and jacket, then ended her point by saying, “well, it’s a good thing they don’t score much”

The Tigers also went through a significant ownership transition from Mike Illitch (spend whatever the fork you want if it means winning) to his kids. I bet his kids cringed the day Mike approved the Cabrera contract.

…and then they’ll sit an injured guy for 8 days before actually ILing him.

Of all the things to be outraged about, this seems to be the least of out collective concern.