JoeC

Well, look at the flaws in the guys coming up. When’s the last position player who’s lived up to his potential to have spent a significant amount of time with the team throughout his development? I can think of one (TA) in recent memory. the team has always been in such a rush to bring guys up from the minors to help NOW (like Vaughn) that it’s been to the detriment of their long term success.

This organization sucks at player development. period.

Odor throws a mean right hook.

Exhibit A

My point is that the best option is to offload one of your 3Bmen to fill the 2B hole via trade. ...or I guess Cesar Hernandez is available.

Yes, but a legitimate 2Bman + Moncada (or Burger) at 3B is better than either of the above two.

To echo @wegner... yes, he was that bad: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2022&endYear=2022&split=yes&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=of&roles=&viz=hide Of all outfielders last year, was the lowest-rated (per Statcast) out of 125 outfielders on Outs Above Average (-17) as well as Runs Prevented (-15).

Don't worry - accountability isn't an issue around here.

Not sure this is something they are capable of.

Yeah, seems like he wasn't the guy to take them over the hump. In a 162 game season that last week would have been just another stretch, but in the 2020 season it was way too important.

Ricky was a good manager for a developing team. He wasn’t seen as a guy to get them over the hump and transition from “developing” to “contending” (quotes intentional).

I am in the “trade someone to make people able to fit positions they are capable of playing” camp. Quit this shuffling around.

My point isn’t that Moncada is useless or worthless (quite the opposite). My point is that we have a surplus of 3Bmen. Given the options, we can use one to fill a huge gap in other positions without creating one in his place at 3B.

For a deadline team looking for elite 3B defense with an above average bat (and potentially elite bat in there somewhere)? I can see a team overpaying for that if they think it can a) put them over the top for a championship run; and b) fix his bat and keep him healthy.

Yep. still has more trade value than Burger.

Since when is Jake Burger considered a more durable option? I am in the "trade Moncada" camp if we are looking for a 2Bman, not because I think Burger is better, but because I think Moncada can still command a good return. IMO Burger is "good enough" at 3B to roll the dice on his bat. You only do that if you think you can cash out on Yoan's value and trade him for a 2B or SOLID RF.

Yes. Someone should invest in something like that. I feel like it would give teams an advantage.

Seems like a good idea. i wonder if anyone has thought about employing someone full time to work on stuff like that for more guys.

Only one ROY? weak.

Yeah, but you have to admit it would be pretty amazing if Veeck would have had access to the internet

That, but don't forget that the contracts that made those guys such favorable assets were given out by Hahn. Not saying he doesn't deserve to lose his job over these past few seasons, but he DID do a passable job of assembling talent... just not a team. Seems like the kind of guy who will perpetually make a fantastic assistant GM but then s%*# the bed as the actual GM.

It was almost like 2020 happened, and Hahn wasn't ready to flip to "win now" mode. Or at least he showed his ineptitude in trying to "win now."

Well the good news is that accountability isn’t the issue here. Imagine how much worse it would be if accountability was what was the issue.

Hahn (10/26/2022 ascension to GM) technically gets credit for the Sale (3/7/2013) and Quintana (3/2014) contract extensions. He also deserves credit for extracting great value in the returns for the above two, plus Eaton. IMO he deserves a lot of credit for laying the foundation for a great core with his tear-down and start of the rebuild... but he's completely and utterly failed at rounding out that core (including contingency planning outside of 1B / DH)