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I doubt it. the only "good owners" are the ones who don't care about extracting as much profit as possible, but buy the franchise for the prestige or because they're genuine fans of the sport and have enough money already (few and far between, especially in baseball). Something tells me that the private equity guy with no history of baseball fandom doesn't actually care about anything more than the potential profit. He'll do what every other private equity firm does: own the company for a couple of years, build shareholder value, then sell the team at a gain. Spending on players doesn't factor into that in a market like Baltimore.

pointless and paternalistic. what they did to that poor batboy is a tragedy. on the other hand, 99% of mlb facial hair looks terrible. LIK like, this isn't a good look, his boss shouldn't tell him to shave it, he should just know better

the issue is that the Yanks young talent isn't that interesting, at least for our team, outside of Volpe. I guess a trade for Volpe/Dominguez would be pretty good, but it doesn't excite me personally, would rather just keep Cease. Plus I doubt NY goes for it.

if I'm the Sox, I'm waiting around for STL or Baltimore to get desperate. Maybe no team does and you take a risk keeping Cease until the deadline. I think it's reasonable to expect that he will be better than he was last season and that health won't be a concern. As such, I don't see a reason to ship him out as soon as possible just to do a deal, but I do expect better offers will materialize when those free agents go off the board. I also don't hate the idea of eventually signing him to a long term extension. At the very least, he sells tickets. Personally speaking, I went to 3 Sox games this year specifically on days that he was pitching. I hope this is the leverage Getz and co are using against other teams, that they're not actually that desperate to trade him and that he could be a mainstay on the Sox for a long time. Don't know what qualifies as a nearly acceptable offer, but another SoxTalk poster made a good point about ATL adding Kelenic to their package, and it makes their offering nearly acceptable, though not necessarily a home run like a Winn/Hence or Cowser/Kjerstad trade might be (in my eyes). Cease is also a better, more reliable, pitcher than either Glasnow or Bieber (again, IMO) on better salary terms and should command a better return in a vacuum, though perhaps not in reality if those teams acquire either one of those guys or otherwise shore up their starting pitching. I'd rather take the risk in waiting and potentially re-sign Cease rather than trade him for questionable talent, especially because we're a Chicago team and not "small market" like those other teams. We don't need to shed salary, there's no reason for us to be desperate, we should capitalize on desperation like Atlanta does...the Sox could model their actions, the markets are similar in terms of population and household income (spending money at a game and on merchandise) when considering that there's another team in town.

I would've thought he could net Peraza and Dominguez as well. maybe one of them is the "additional player".

literally no reason to trade him until the cream of the crop starting pitchers go off the market. some team that is coveting starting pitching will miss out. more of a competition with Glasnow and Bieber IMO, there must be some balance between waiting for Yamamoto, Snell, Ohtani to sign deals and losing out because Glasnow and Bieber were exchanged for teams we should've dealt with.

I don't mean Tsai specifically but I suspect Chinese nationals will become increasingly interested in investing in American sports/real estate developments and that Bridgeport/Armour Square/Douglas will be majority Asian probably in the next decade (at least the areas close to the park). Looks like a good business opportunity if I'm a Chinese billionaire.

Nasim Nuñez and Deyvison de los Santos were also selected in the rule 5 draft. I like either one of those guys better than Nicky Lopez but they probably aren't major league ready. pretty surprised that they weren't protected, Nuñez stands to be one of the best defensive shortstops in the league even if he can't hit.

I think they might. INVEST South/West is one of the stupidest programs in city history and is pouring public money into the south side so that developers can 'rejuvenate' blighted areas. GRF doesn't qualify for that program, but right over the freeway does, and the potential tax base increase has to appeal to the city if a sports franchise wants to re-develop 100 acres of parking lots and perhaps the former Stateway Gardens site. Every city is obsessed with 'public-private partnerships' especially if it's "equitable" which I think it would be an easy sell to build an entertainment district that would predominantly serve middle-class Asian and black communities (and everyone else arriving on the red line and freeway). This is JR's leverage to get the city to fund a large portion of it. I doubt he'll build it in his lifetime but these stunts he performs have to raise the value of the team. My conspiracy theory is that a Chinese billionaire (Joe Tsai) will buy the team whenever Jerry croaks and do it.

The level of talent in baseball means that expanding to 32 teams makes complete sense. But owners don't want to because they think they'll make less money overall, that the 'supply' of baseball teams will outpace the demand for baseball. Or that a Nashville team will siphon off fans from Atlanta, Chicago, St Louis or wherever else and that the new media revenue won't compensate for their suspected loss of revenue. I think they're full of s%*# personally. and I think Reinsdorf stands to make more money building a new ballpark and complex in Chicago than in Nashville.

Mike Sirotka, Mike Sirota...wait a second, are you guys not both talking about new Sox ace Mike Soroka?

this is my absolute favorite White Sox moment that I was lucky enough to see live! Iguchi, Rowand and Konerko going back-to-back-to-back. Jose Contreras was electric too, allowing one run in 8 innings. of course, Randy Johnson was my favorite pitcher, which is I assume why we went to this game, so a little bittersweet.

depends on the player(s). wouldn't ship him out just to ship him out. he should be better and more valuable next season unless the wrist injury is chronic.

this seems like the work of Bannister, based on his twitter post shared in this thread, more than the 'Sox' generally. I'm optimistic about the move, he seems like a diamond in the rough, and now Bannister's so-called "pitching lab" will be put to the test.

hitters: Shoeless Joe Jackson Scott Podsednik Juan Pierre Luis Aparicio Rudy Law Minnie Miñoso Magglio Ordóñez Harold Baines Luke Appling Carlton Fisk Tadahito Iguchi pitchers: Wilbur Wood Ed Walsh Giolito Keith Foulke Billy Pierce Chris Sale Javier Vazquez incomplete list and tried to avoid the more recent superstars.

His 3 year average bWAR is 3.9 and made, I’m pretty sure, every scheduled start. At 9mil and 20mil, that’s an incredibly useful player.

At least now it’s men shirts instead of women’s underwear…

KC is the better analogy to be sure, the two locations are adjacent to downtown and are mostly working-class areas; and even St Louis, though the scale of its 'ballpark village' is pretty small. regardless, Truist is an analogy because 'The Battery Atlanta' was built on undeveloped land, roughly 60 acres, and 'Sox Village' has roughly 100 acres of undeveloped land (parking lots). Comiskey is also connected by public transportation and close to the downtown of one of America's largest cities. I don't think the racial demographics are particularly relevant anymore, young whites with money have flocked back to the cities, desiring walkable environments with lots of amenities (bars with arcade games). east of I-90 is gentrifying rapidly thanks to M Daley and a re-concentration of the black middle class on those parcels of land stripped barren by M Daley and CHA. check out all the new construction going on in the neighborhood, condos now sell for $600k, new high rises are coming up with promise to be even more expensive. it's a different era. even so, the 'transit oriented developments', which this would be, are like neo-gated communities. people can hop on the train from downtown, enjoy the amenities and leave without ever interacting with the so-called undesirables (who were priced out or otherwise had their homes destroyed 20 years ago). Sox could even claim 'equitable development' in addition to that TOD funding or whatever else the city/state would give, the sort of thing that city officials lap up, by offering a few concessions to the residents of the neighborhood. I personally would be interested in a more forward-thinking model which involves real concessions to Chicago's residents without fantasizing about a return to a time when city governments actually provided public services to its people the point about 'Battery Atlanta' and 'Texas Live!' is that it's a shift from the Camden Yards type of development that clubs have been parroting for 20 years and there's actual tax revenue to be derived from it. The area around Sox Park is also a blank slate in a way like those suburban sites; a pseudo-progressive city government like Chicago's would probably go for it and whoever owns the team would stand to make plenty of money. anyway, this is a post about Jarred Kelenic, sorry to derail!

very off topic, but I think about this a lot and basically now think the Sox probably aren't leaving and are actually staying exactly where they are. There's a mutual interest for the club and the city to redevelop the ~100ish acres of parking lots around the park. Check out the development models for Truist and Globe Life and in particular what will soon happen in Kansas City. They're fairly comprehensive approaches and have some actual economic benefits for their cities unlike previous models of ballpark construction. Mark Rosentraub at UMich has been writing about the economic impacts of stadium construction forever and essentially writes that this new model can produce tax revenue for a city while the previous generation of them were public money sinks. Of course, I'm skeptical of these entertainment districts/ballpark villages/whatever you want to call it as I am about development that wholly caters to yuppy consumption habits. alas, that's the state of urban governance for now and the foreseeable future. The city is trying its hardest to yupify Bronzeville and so a complete redevelopment of that 'middle area' between Bridgeport and (technically) Douglas has to be front of mind for the Department of Planning. easy sell too: get rid of parking lots (everyone who works in that department thinks parking lots and automobiles are the devil) and replace them with buildings and create new sources of property and sales tax revenue. I just finished reading this book Mallparks: Baseball Stadiums and the Culture of Consumption by Michael Friedman on this topic, published this year, and would highly recommend it.

this is a good point. their package becomes more desirable if so, I like his upside and ability to play all three outfield positions but he feels like a prototypical right fielder. on the other hand, why would ATL take on that much salary to trade for Cease when they could spend in free agency?

seems unlikely. that ownership group is one of the worst in sports. loser cheapskates despite playing in a cashcow city

why do we assume Colas won't play next season? it reflects more so on Grifol and Getz to give up on him. if he's "undisciplined" and "lacks fundamentals" maybe they should instill those things in him. Colas needs to start unless somehow Lee Jung-Hoo plays right field for the team next year, at which point ship him and the farm boy out for a bag of chips

I think it makes sense for that reason actually. he might be totally done and won't cost much and carlos perez isn't worth looking at, at the very least he probably has some wisdom to impart on the catchers with upside. my only issue is that hackenberg looks much improved and had a very solid 2023. .649 OPS in 2022 across A+ and AA versus .755 in 2023 at AA-AAA. he looks pretty good defensively and has a cannon for an arm too. carrying three catchers isn't a completely insane strategy though.

Oh, the pitcher I was describing was Bryan Shaw (sans left-handedness). Senior moment.

Good point but I guess I'm of the opinion that, since there's no expectation to win next season, I'd rather deal known (but good) commodities who might help in the short term but probably don't have a role once the team is competing again; and so take a chance on boom/bust types. Maybe we find another Gregory Santos. Next season should be about discovery IMO. In the same vein, I wouldn't mind seeing Shewmake getting play over Lopez, maybe he can prove something. I did become a big fan of Banks' "hard hat and lunch pail" ethos over the second half and cheer on pretty much any lefty pitcher, so I'd also be happy to keep him. easy to root for