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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) This is something of an impressive catch by Pillar. just like the TT catch the other night. fully stretched out. really nice.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 03:19 PM) Piece together a coherent thought and I won't be offended on many levels, including my soul. it is obvious that you really don't have anything intelligent to add so i will leave it .... get the last word.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 02:14 PM) And even past that, are still "fans". a nice point. can anyone imagine on all the sox fans who are no longer here, never seen the sox in the WS let alone win it. die hard fans.... yeah, they may be biitcing and complaining. but they are still fans. now think about the fathers of today, bringing up their kids as fans. .... that is great.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) Completely agree. It should be mandatory in today's game. i agree. the game is getting bigger, the players changes from team to team thru fa's, it will be easier to quickly look at the players name and lastly it will be great for marketing and selling more jersey's.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) Just to note - the "all in" moves this idea would require are extremely likely to damage the franchise for multiple subsequent seasons. you may have a point ... i guess it will depends on the game plan they develop. a great post. it took me a long while to come up with something.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) Wow. I'm floored by what comes out of your mouth. a typical reaction from someone with nothing but insults to sling.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) Even using my preferred "we're not competitive in 2016 and we need to act like it" model, there's no reason why this team can't be back to the top of the division in 2017 or 2018. We've got at least 1 more shot before the pressure really starts to rise to move him. When the White Sox do their "all in" thing again next year, trade Quintana for some career NL hitter close to free agency and come back totally surprised that the 2016 roster flopped just like the 2015 roster, then suddenly we'll have Sale for only 3 years and we'll be staring another year that should be a developmental year in the face. That's when the pressure starts rising. The time when I'd guess the price for Sale would line up with the price teams would pay for Sale will come sometime around 2017-2018. Moving everything for a guy with 2-2.5 years remaining is a gamble teams will take and one that would make sense for the White Sox. Of course, they'll still be insisting that their 15 games under .500 team is right there, so we won't even do that. an interesting POV .... can't fault it. i still think 3 things, 1. the sox does not have to trade any of their sp's Q or Sale or even Rodon. 2. they really can pickup what is needed in FA's, except for catcher 3. supplanted with a few smart trades of their surplus assets in the minors. to get a catcher and build up depth.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) then why is the team operated from the top down as a break even business? Words coming DIRECT from the chairman and his top execs? The partners may want that profit check, but the salary and revenuenisntiednto financing the entire operation, including the guy working the box office. and do you believe everything someone tells you??? they are businessmen first and foremost. they want to max the profit. so if this was their only major income coming in, ok, but they also have the bulls company and all the other sub companies associated with the sports industry..... i have heard one owner and his grandstanding on how much he is a baseball fan and he would loose money blah... blah... when the time has come, put up this money, max out what you can or go in the black for 1 yr to a yr of building a dynasty.... but make sure you have the right person at the helm. second, major contracts will be coming of the books next yr, anywhere from 28+ mil to 38 mil depending on Alexei contract. after that yr, the team will have an additional 13+ mil coming off again depending on this yr fa signing. at this time the farm and the minor league should start supporting the parent team with smart drafts that hopefully the players developed as hope and let alone the int't players they signed. next all the additional money they will make b/c companies want to partnered up with a winner. it will be easy from that point on.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) um......I AM taking about the sox. There's this thing called COMPARE AND CONTRAST. when all things being equal. this is not equal b/c all teams work with a different philosophy on how to get it done. again, too much outside variables are in play.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) You look at the package Boston supposedly offered for King Felix. If the Sox got the same players for Sale, they have weakened their team. Yeah, you might not win keepimg Sale, but to think you would win trading him isn't logical. If the goal is to get an immediate boost in your farm system ranking, or you plan to suck for a few years, trade him. If you want to win games, and have the guy who starts game 1 of every playoff series on the roster, you keep him. With the contract he has, to pick up his production somewhere else, it would cost a fortune. you make an excellent point. the sox needs to build up a foundation ... when that is done, they will definitely need a #1 pitcher to take the team deep into the playoff. #1 sp do not grow on trees. the problem i also see is lack of depth in the system that can come in and help the team the sox have a surplus of assets to trade, trade shrewdly is or should be in order. but for now, they need to find those bodies in FA. i hate to keep harping on this, but it needs to be done. trading what the team has, and i mean no insult, it is being short sighted.

QUOTE (Douglas Rome @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 09:49 AM) back when Bill Veeck invented putting player's names on the jerseys, it was the road uniform only. His reasoning was visiting teams players wouldn't be recognized and associated by number to hometown fans. I think we should go back to that, I see some of the teams no longer have names. thanks, douglas i like this little bit of history and i like your point. excellent.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 10:10 AM) do you understand English? obviously you try to twist the language to make yourself look good. just use the sox, lets not use another team. it is completely different set of variables involve. then again maybe you can't think like that...... interesting b/c then it all fits with this aggressiveness.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 10:06 AM) just keep moving the goalposts. the 2005!!!!!!!!!zomg!!!!!! payroll was 75 million. 2006 was 15 million more for 9 less wins and no playoffs appearance. While 2007 cost the sox almost as much to be a 90 game loser. the sox made a huge financial commitment to fielding a winner. those moves didn't work out all the way, but you cant discount the intentions of the ball club. but it's not enough for crybabies that call themselves sox fans. you truly amaze me, spending all that energy just so you can find a was to insult..... you truly are acting like a mental midget but i know that you are not. quick thing, the cost of everything has gone up.... esp the cost of players and players in free agency. also quick falling back on history to justify anything. in 2005 the sox were #13 in the league of spending, 2006 #4 with 106 mil+ 2011 #4 with 129+ mil 2001-2004 avg spending for salary 50-65 mil + all the while and this is according to forbes, making as an org and i am going to use a round figure. 190-200+ mil .... so again, it goes back to the way the team is managed from an owners point of view. the owners are more interested in max out their profit.

QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 10:05 AM) You can add to your list how the team played coming out of spring training. The team was not ready to play and that IMO is the manager and his coaching staff's fault. Fundamentals are really bad on this team. Most of the ream came from other organizations so it's not like we taught them, but you would think the manager would see the bad play an speak to them and/or assign a coach to help him improve with a warning thats not how we play baseball here. To be honest I think some of our guys that came up through our farm system seem to have better fundamentals than many of the others. I hate to rip on Robin because there's only so much he can do but I don't think he's doing enough. Bottom line he's the manager and responsible for how the team should play. exactly .... 100 %

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:57 AM) People seem to forget that not even 365 days ago, the cubs were a crap organization that had a playoff drought that was one day longer than the sox. in a major market with a rich idiot for an owner. the season wasn't even 10 minutes old and they wer the laughingstock of the sports world for the opening day bathroom situation and bleachers that looked like the second death star. 0h, and they had a record of 523-607 in between playoff appearances. sox record from 2009-2015? 541-590, with an 88 win season in that span. why is there always someone using another team and their history to justify something. there is no comparison .

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 07:14 AM) I love Lip threads because they always work under this insane assumption that the Sox management is somehow purposely trying to lose in order to make a penny. This s*** has been going on for over a dozen years on Sox fansites. it all depends on how you look at it. take #A player who is 35, cost xx mil or a couple yrs. take #B player who is 28 cost xx + mil for 6 yrs. take #c player who is a retread cost xx - for 1 yr and hope he can regain something. there is whole set for pitching. but i think you got my point.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 08:06 AM) despite 2015 having the 2nd highest payroll in sox history. and at 120 mil. that is not impressive nor convincing.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 01:12 AM) I'll acknowledge his season is ending with good numbers, while also pointing out he was part of the problem the first month when they played 8 of the first 10 series vs the AL Central. He's got to be better in April next year. he was also hurt. i wonder how much that interfered with his pitching.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 01:07 AM) Ya know, I have Ventura fatigue. No more. Sorry. no problem.... and i am getting there myself. the owners will do as they want. thank.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 02:05 AM) Not really. why? i was wrong on my info. he corrected my opinion.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 01:01 AM) By people who have never met him and never heard him say it. good point.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 01:53 AM) I meant that on the ice, Q caught Dano watching in awe of Hossa & Toews too much rather than trying to help the line. i was really happy with the move ... again showing the nerves of coach Q and how he will not comprise anything except what he wants from all the players. tough coach but then again, with the talent this team has, the hawks won 3SC and i expect more.

QUOTE (Saufley @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 12:06 AM) Probably because this is the only managerial job he will ever have. Honestly, can you see another organization wanting him to be the manager of their team? but it was said many times he never wanted to be a team manager.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 10:58 PM) After Branden Smith gave him that shoulder to his head in the first preseason game, he really wasn't the same. He played tentative. I am actually ok with this. Hopefully it's a bit of a wake up call but we'll see what happens when Bickell clears. They should of bought out Bickell in June, but glad he's gone. my statement is plain and simple be hindsight. but i wanted him brought out last season, earlier in the season. i remember i was posting what was his promise to make solid hits / checks. i think it was suppose to be 5 a game. what a waste of money.