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QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 05:15 AM) Kenny really needs to f*** off.. unless he is doing the owners work this nite.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 05:09 AM) KW is in charge. and i would assume b/c he is pres of the org.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 05:05 AM) I does affect the talks but more within than with partners. many thanks..... i am not trying to put words in your sentences to imply anything, ok. but by the bold, so it is the owners pushing for this then.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 04:55 AM) Deals for Shark to TOR and SF in place. The deals are sitting there. KW is still "all in" on '16 and Rick is not so there's that drama right now. it proves what most on this site been saying on hahn and kw. i wonder who orchestrated the actual players in the trade??? kw or hahn???

that is really going to put a monkey wrench in hou plans. it is hou fault from waiting too long to make a trade for a sp, rp, and a 1b. i wonder what is going back???

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 03:34 AM) Dodgers saying Puig available for right deal per Nightengale. i know, i am a little confuse on this... http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/dodg...-listening.html

per mlb rumors. shark update 9:44 pm monday http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/late...mardzija-2.html

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:37 PM) But still a fraction of the "35 years!" posts. If you are really that miserable because of watching a game, yet have done it for 35 or 55 years, the problem isn't with the team. but and i hope this explain my point. if we, the ones who claims to be die hard fans, do we not have a right to b**** and moan and by comparison give the team praises, in any post on any give day?? are we suppose to not see what is happening, but to tell the lies and to avoid the truth.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 10:05 PM) In virtually every post, we are reminded of 35 years and/or 55 years. Yeah, that's not a grudge, lol. It is a virtual old man yelling at people to stay off his lawn, and talking about how good he had it in his day. And yet here you are, still complaining day after day after day about this franchise... after 35 years of disappointment. Apparently after 35 years of such a miserable existence, you are still here? You still haven't learned a lesson after 55 years? Sorry, who is the backwards thinker? what is this idea that you shouldn't use a sport forum to do anything than what???? why can't we express anger??? are you the board policeman ??? jeez that was several times you mention this.

here is my first of 2 crazy mock trades. to tor shark, petricka, duke, beck, to chi a. sanchez, sean r foley, mich nay, smoral, dj davies.

excellent..... very creative.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 05:58 PM) MAYBE related? Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 20m20 minutes ago #sfgiants prioritize No. 2 SP behind Bumgarner, but can't find match. 1 club asked for SS Lucius Fox, signed earlier this month (cont) does anyone think this sounds like a move the sox would do....... i do.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:42 PM) From my interview with Brooks Boyer a few years ago. He understands Sox fans and their passion and it falls in line with what Iwritecode is saying. For the record I'm the same way, when the Sox are losing I really don't pay close attention...why put myself through that. Winning is what matters to me. Anyway here is the comment, “I’ve found that Sox fans are extremely passionate about the team and I think there’s a lot of truth to the sense that they are really educated fans. They “get it.” I don’t pay a lot of attention to what the media says about us or the spin they try to put on things and by and large I don’t think our fans do either. They aren’t going to be influenced by what someone on TV or the radio says. They’ll look at the situation and decide based on the facts. There’s a reason our motto is, “pride, passion, tradition…” that’s a reflection of the fans and the organization. We still have something to prove both on and off the field. Our fans feel that way and they expect the same work ethic and passion from us. In fact our slogan for this season reflects that attitude, “share the passion, show the swagger.” “What I don’t like about Sox fans is that there aren’t enough of them! (laughing)” “About the only think that I wish I could change long-term is that sometimes the passion from our fans can be a weakness. What I mean is that a lot of Sox fans are so passionate, so into the team that if things aren’t going well, they get mad, they get fed up… they say, ‘I’m not going to watch these guys, I’m not going to listen to them and I’m not going to show up at the game.’” Mark excellent post.... and that is the key word. passionate.... the time to have done or stole the lion share was mishandled at the sox FO. the only way i can see the sox getting into a competitions for fans, esp where they are located at, is to win and make the playoff. yearly. while at the same time the morthsiders fall on their face. yeah that a big wish, but .......

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) I have no idea what this actually means. think about it.... it will come to you.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:27 PM) Yet, they will show up every single day to complain about exactly that team. Weird right? They won't waste time on going, or watching, but they waste time on complaining about them. show up where, here??? isn't this a fan forum for people of all kinds to come and vent and enjoy conversation on sox baseball.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) This team isn't winning; it's won 4 in a row, but the big picture (at least through the end of July) says this is a below average team. and obviously that is my point. stay the course in make the trade. this winning will be a real thing.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) I was thinking about the buying and selling idea yesterday since the team is close enough for a push. The best thing I'm able to come up with is an exchange of bad contracts with the Dodgers. Try to package Danks/Duke for Andre Either. Dodgers get a reliever in Duke and a starter that should perform better in the NLW while the Sox improve the RF defense and add a nice left handed bat to the lineup. Avi platoons DH with LaRoche, plus Avi can rotate into LF/RF to keep legs fresh for the stretch run. This allows the Sox to keep Samardzija to help make that late season push and hope for the best. It's just an idea and I have no clue if the Dodgers or Sox would be interested in such a trade. it is an excellent to way to think outside the box.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:08 PM) I enjoy the game of baseball. I’ve watched other teams on TV, I’ve watched minor league games in person. I’ve watched a ton of (fast-pitch and slow-pitch) softball both on TV and in person as well. From t-ball all the way up to professional. The difference is that when I’m watching those games, I’m not emotionally involved in who wins or loses. When I watch the Sox, I want them to win. When they don’t, I get upset and don’t want to watch anymore. I’m not going to punish myself by watching something that’s just going to make me mad. So I’ll simply turn off the TV and find something else to do. That’s just me personally. I’m sure there are still people out there that can watch the Sox and have a good time whether they win or lose. I don’t think that makes me a fair-weather fan either. I still follow the team and hope they do well. I still wear my t-shirts and hats. I still defend them to my Cub fan friends. I just have a really hard time watching them lose. excellent post and let me point out a key sentence. ref bold

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:14 PM) Conjecture is one thing. The statistics tell another story. White Sox fans only show up in the best of times. Attendance and TV ratings show exactly that. daily attendance plus tv viewership is = to what in actual fans watching????

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) I think you hit on a key point here. I honestly think that based on attendance patterns, and what respective fans say about their teams, Sox fans don't enjoy the game of baseball as much as others. They enjoy winning, and living vicariously through that, but not the game itself. They won't watch baseball just because they enjoy the game. They watch it to fill something that is missing, because when winning isn't there, they won't do it. people and poster can banter all they want to justify this and that. the bottom line is, the cost to see a lousy team or a team that is not expected to see. now if you want to include the fair wx fans, so be it. they bring in a class A type of personality to make it worth attending a game..... yeah fans are fickle, but when one looks at the way the sox org has been run, why should they spend their hard earned money on a lousy product.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 03:49 PM) Yep, Shields is going to be a very hard sell. Imo, Shields' contract sheds a little light as to what Samardzija could be looking for in his next contract. Not necessarily back loaded but the annual salary (21M) and years (5). I would not touch that. for me, this is excellent reasoning.

it is the excitement of a team, this team in winning, that is deceiving our emotions. then when the trade deadline past, the anger will take over. stay the course, make the necessary changes, as hard it is to do, it is the best in the future. if not, then the changes will need to be done via Free Agency.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2015 -> 07:35 PM) I'd have taken Finnegan and Lamb alone for Shark. there is no way i would have taken it. way too little in quality as a rtn. and i mistrust my judgement on anything in ref to trades.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) Again the casual fan really doesn't live and die by the results of their team. They go to see the show. Attending the game is a special event. The sounds, the sights, the food. There are family traditions to always go on a certain birthday, or to see X team when they come to town. I hope this example doesn't steer this too far away. It's like saying I'm a Brad Pitt fan and I will only go to a movie if it's a great film and Brad Pitt is in it. If you want to see a movie you go see a movie. People attend a circus, not because they are "loyal fans of that circus", but because they want to see a circus. Same with casual fans and a baseball game. Those pick games for other reasons, the promotion, something else to do in the city, and of course that the team is winning and it's exciting to be a part of that. So bottom line, if you really enjoy baseball and are a fan of baseball you go to games. Like I said, In then past decade I've watched every level of baseball played. I couldn't even tell you the team names or the schools of many of the games. Why should I spend my money to see two college teams I don't care about? Because it was fun. And I enjoyed it live way better than on TV. I enjoy live shows. I'll pay to watch a concert or play that I could easily find a recording of. you are so far wrong on the examples you are trying to use to justify your post. i am not going to get into a 2 or 4 page rant to prove my point. so without further ado, i will end this with me, here. and say this....... nah.... it was a snarky and you don't deserve it.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 01:21 PM) Going to keep beating this drum. If the Sox think they are going to get back in it this week, Soto should be getting playing time at C and DH. No way around it. LaRoche and Flowers are currently two weakest links on the team. and while you are correct, the sox fo will not sit adam l , b/c of his contract.