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QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) that could happen, except...who is going to trade for those 2? for me, i love the moves that a smart fo can make.... this is, i hope, they are gong to be very creative time for the fo... i hope they are up to it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) There has been some talk about Conor's foot issue. I really think if it was an issue that was lingering and truly causing his poor performance, the White Sox would have DL'd him. The fact that they didn't tells you the foot isn't an issue. excellent reasoning.

QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 05:13 AM) He hit well for half a season then 'cooled off' and never really heated back up. Feel free to say more and/or offer other opinions, as I'm not really sure what you're getting at. the point is and i will say it again, many players would love to hit his avg and to be on a mlb team. he has some potential, he is only 27 yo, i would expect to have seen him on the dl and / or trying to perfect his hitting. I don't know where you got the idea that I'm singling Conor out or blaming him for the team's poor play this season. I simply said that he hit well for the first half of last season, is terrible on defense, and that 'sucks' isn't an entirely inaccurate description of him. All of which is true. just saying hi sucks and implying that part of the is his lack of hitting. he is but 1 yr remove from a 280 +/- hitter, at the major league level. this just doesn't add up. at least of me.... I wasn't talking about the whole team, I was talking about Conor because this thread is about Conor... I don't know what the rest of the team has to do in a discussion about Conor... b/c your and many other posters are saying it lack of production, well there are others and it should be spread cleanly over those who are not producing as well. Maybe his foot problems contributed to him being DFA'd, but the fact is that his defense is unplayable at 3B and he offers no other positional versatility. He used to mash RHP and then for whatever reason couldn't hit righties in addition lefties. He always had well below-average power for a 3B as well. there is no either or in this. if he has a foot problem, some have seen time on the D/L. even if it meant to shelve him for the yr. his potential on offense is still there. I have no idea what you're talking about, and don't take this the wrong way, but English is not your first language, is it? Can you clarify what you're refering to? my english is horrible.... i know that, esp if i am writing quickly or when i am extremely tired. sorry about that, it really can't be helped. And for good reason. Conor no longer deserves any sort of playing time. We made the right choice in giving Saladino an oppurtunity. i am not making any excuses there.... i can care less in he stays or goes.... i am obsessive and this just quickly rang in my head that something else is in play. i just hate being deceived or someone trying to divert the real truth. i know this is on me. it is i see it. but lets look at it this way..... will this really matter in a few more days, weeks or even for the rest of the season...... no. i just made my statement and saying it is not adding up. but then again, who cares. I don't see where the conspiracy fits in. Conor was DFA'd because he couldn't hit or defend at an acceptable level, his roster spot was reduntant and wasted with Saladino, Beckham, and Bonifacio, and there are other players who deserve that roster spot over him. Is this not a lot of consternation over a player who has had only one good half of a season in his career?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 04:24 AM) I really think it comes down to versatility. Conor has none, and was the first pinched when it came time to pare off the roster. Beckham and Bonifacio may have survived here, but I don't think Hahn will stress over cutting one if a better option comes back in a trade excellent point and i totally agree..... i can't think of anything to add. many thanks.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 07:40 AM) Are you trying to rain on the Micah parade? I don't think anybody is looking for Micah to be a 10+ home run guy in the majors so his home runs really don't mean much you are correct, but it was a nice FYI tidbit. considering there really isn't coming out of the majors that is positive.

QUOTE (Señor Ding-Dong @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 12:30 AM) Gillaspie hit .326 during the first half of last season. That's great. Then he hit .228 the rest of that season. That's bad. This season he's hit a total of .237 despite playing almost exclusively against RHPs, something which should have maximized his production given his righty/lefty splits last season. So basically, Conor hasn't hit for almost a year now. Add that to his unplayably bad defense and saying he 'sucks' isn't entirely inaccurate. last yr, he still hit and cooled off and i will say no more on that. i can offer other opinions but not with out proof. now this yr, ok i am with you, but pls do not try to isolate 1 player this yr for poor play. practically the whole team didn't perform to what they are capable of. i am just saying he is still relatively a young player and he is a foot problem. now i will say this, i am not a fan of his. i am indifference to whether he stays or goes. i am not buying the perception that he was dfa b/c he sucks, only. now last yr, it was rpt and i don't know by whom, that it took a someone who wish to be friends with him, it took effort on that person. i also remember when he made a mental error at 3b this yr.... RV just glared at him..... that was prob the last time he saw any substantial playing time at 3b. so, i am alluding to the fact that there may be other reasons that we as fans do not know. it doesn't add up.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 08:49 PM) Cooper waited too long to get a pitcher warmed up...when Sale supposedly needed all this rest. Having 2 managers isn't helping thanks and i agree.

i have faith in him.... like a couple yrs ago, he put up lousy number only to rebound the yr after. i think the same can be done. however, if the address the ss in another way.. i am game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) Basically our options for next year are Saladino, one of those guys, or trading legit talent away for a legit shortstop. And that's just one of multiple positions where we have major issues. Ponder that for a minute and you'll start understanding why I'm down on this team's chances for the near future. i like how you are thinking, if i may, if the sox are looking for a stopgap player to manned the position until anderson comes around. i am ok with saladino. however that mean the sox will need to address the 3b position one way or another. now i can deal with the sox picking defense only players at ss as a stop gap. i sure would like the ss position to be well defended next season.

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 06:32 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/adam-laroche nice.... but as someone eloquently stated, it is best to take these rumors with a grain of salt. however in that article, it was the author of the article opinion.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 05:18 PM) Both of them are out the door after the 2016 season. The Sox just have to pay them for the rest of this year and next year and then they'll have a lot more financial flexibility after that. oh, i agree with what you are saying. i am trying to beat the fo to the punch by stating, the sox have invested in contracts that might be unmovable and the org does not have the financial flexibility to venture to far into the fa b/c of that. something to that effect.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 05:47 PM) Sale being on the mound in the 6th inning and having given up just 2 runs at that point most likely wasn't the reason Cooper was mad. for me, i sure would have love to be a fly on the wall there. 1. who was he talking to 2. what was the discussion about. we will never know. oh well.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 06:09 PM) Scoreboard Kanny already underway, tied at 2, Lowry on the mound for the I's CHAR EJohnson BHAM Jaye W-S Heidenreich GTF Banks AZL, DSL TBA Should be some good pitching today. i know i have been repeating this, but since the major team isn't, well what some would say, not doing too well. i really appreciate these little bit of info on the farm................. many thanks. i truly appreciated it.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 05:34 PM) Why not Saladino? excellent article... funny on the other adjective link. btw, how does adam laroche stats look like using the come back portions, or can that be done.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 05:12 PM) It is in the 1st post of this thread. many thanks

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) Mike* (Eminor 3rd on this board). He raises great points about what exactly has caused Alexei to just drop off. any link so we can read it.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) If the Sox can get Shark to agree to an extension, I can see them parting ways with Q at the deadline. They would be able to fill in gaps receiving more in a Q trade and still have an above average rotation going into next season. It also increases the number of potential buyers that would be interested though trading Q may make more sense to do in December. as much as i like the idea, the sox are still on line for 2 lousy contracts. Danks and Adam L. some 30+ millions dollars. for to start the new season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) I think Robin will step down and resign at the end of the season (unless things turn around). I don't ever see him managing another team. ref 1,.... i hope ref 2...... you are right about that one.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:58 PM) Do you want a cookie? ummm what kind??? many posters do a self pat on the back. someone even did it last nite..... i am sure you have done it too.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) Took Balta a year to convince me Connor was worth anything and then as soon as I finally came around, he went completely into the tank. Connor, too bad, their were times where I saw some offensive potential, but defensively, you were offensive. here is my point....... i mention this yesterday to 1 person chagrin that i think it is something else. if it was his foot, he would go on the disable list as some players in the past. if it was a simple move to move in to the minors to get more reps so to speak,,,,, why not same something along that line to the press....

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) The problem there is they still would have ended up trading for veterans (since the youngsters were still 1-2 seasons away) and/or been forced to deal Quintana and Montas. Unless they signed Morales, Volquez/Brett Anderson/Chris Young and Nelson Cruz, they'd still be far underwater this year. Or traded for Josh Donaldson. and if you remember, i believe you at the beginning and i at the end had a huge rant on this whole subject. esp about the pitching and not finishing the job. how many thought hector and Rodon will be the fix all..... etc..... i know i really pissed of many a good people who still harboring evil thoughts on me. but most of what we were arguing became fact. i for one would wish i was totally wrong and some one could even tell many months later, i had my head up my arse. this yr fa group is not enticing. i hope i am wrong.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) First year of at least being competitive. i would really like to know his definition of being competitive..... i look at the record and stats and that tells me a different story.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:28 PM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 8m8 minutes ago Sources: #WhiteSox in “listening mode.” Samardzija most likely to go; only potential free agent of significance. Team also could add. Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 8m8 minutes ago #WhiteSox will not tear down, trade Sale, etc. Did not simply put club together for 2015. View season as first of at least 3-year window. so am i missing something here. is he implying that this is the first yr of the rebuilding????

QUOTE (BigFinn @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) I think the Sox could sweeten the pot by adding Adam LaRoche and cash. Right now, Toronto's 1B is Justin Smoak. If the Sox pick up some of the tab on the Adam LaRoche contract, I think the Blue Jays might bite, thinking that LaRoche is due to "play to the back of his baseball card." interesting...... very interesting and thinking outside the box.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) The problem there is they still would have ended up trading for veterans (since the youngsters were still 1-2 seasons away) and/or been forced to deal Quintana and Montas. Unless they signed Morales, Volquez/Brett Anderson/Chris Young and Nelson Cruz, they'd still be far underwater this year. Or traded for Josh Donaldson. i totally disagree with your assessment for only 1 reason. we as fans would not know what would have been different had the sox not stop dealing. now coming back to it some 6-7 months later, no know knows what was left on the table. so i see this org having to start brand new in any dealing. can't look back on the what if.