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QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 07:41 AM) Revisiting this. Sox paid expected value for LaRoche and slightly underpaid for Robertson. Not bad. ummm underpay, i will not say anything negative but i do like everyone positive opinions. i guess i need to warm up to the idea. either way, my opinion doesn't really matter, the team getting pieces is.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2014 -> 02:48 PM) I disagree with all of the above. The fans of the white sox barely care if at all about free agent moves. They don't appear until you have a team that performs on the field. oops i am sorry i miss this response. my thought is always the same, acquiring FA's, filling holes and competing will by default put a team that performs. this is kind of hind sight now.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 06:51 AM) Upton is a sexy name and acquiring him would make many fans "dream again" as KW said. But I am afraid that he might walk after next year, and we are only left with 2 more years of Chris Johnson. And I would be shocked if Anderson isn't part of the deal, even with the discount that is taking on Johnson. I, too, would much prefer Kemp over Upton. If we can swap Danks for Kemp and a cost controlled bullpen arm, heck I wouldn't mind if Dodgers don't send along any money (also JR's wallet haha) if Danks does get move, that will leave another hole to fill in the SP rotation. getting Upton, the sox will need to pay too much.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) The White Sox do not have time for your so-called "rebuilding process." Their Monday night acquisition of starting pitcher Jeff Samardzija via trade and signing of closer David Robertson continues Chicago's acceleration back into contender range, probably to the point that they're comfortably a .500 team (assuming a healthy rotation), while addressing the two biggest needs from the 2014 roster. www.espn.com Keith Law Insider ahh for crying out load. 500???? the sox only improve in 2 positions??? what is Zack, and Adam signing??? for me, this is still a rebuilding, a quasi rebuilding. maybe Hahn has the same idea of rebuilding.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:41 PM) i like the deal. That said semien is an underrated piece around here and nationally. Guy had .420 obp in AA 2 years ago and a .380 obp with 15 HR in just 80 AAA games last year and just now turned 24. Semien is still young and he does have power. he may never be an elite player, but i think he will develop into a very good stable player.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Thompson is a bust. Don't know why people would care if he got dealt. i would have rather send Thompson instead of Bassitt.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 11:21 AM) I was wondering the same thing. How is this deal worth it just for one year for us? Doesn't seem inline with our long term strategy, or company line anyways. it can be, if you look at the big picture. sure everyone would love for JS to sign, but if he doesn't, the sox give him a QO, that draft pick associated will be huge. best case a 1 rounder, at worst a comp pick. this draft, while not deep, has a great makeup on HS'ers with lots of talent. add another piece to the farm system. but i think he will resign, a win win situation for both JS and the sox.

QUOTE (glangon @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) I wonder if we do have the payroll flexability. If Hahn went to Jerry and said that he needed an extra $25 million on his payroll to get Scherzer and turn the rotation into Sale, Scherzer, Samardzija and Noesi. I reckon Jerry would find a way. The media exposure to the White Sox alone could bring in enough advertising and sales to cover some of the cost. i have always said, that the sox does have that payroll flex. the timeline. at first, Hahn said 90 mil payroll. then Hahn said they may have a little more, depending on things went. 90-100 a month ago, Hahn said they will go for it, (my words not his) so i been looking at 110+ this is my opinion based on how i am reading what he is saying.

QUOTE (buckweaver @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) Ichiro for 1 year w/club option for year 2 to do a straight R/L platoon w/Viciedo. if DV is still with the team maybe. however i think Ichiro can handle a 350-400 AB's. i am a fan and i like him as a low salary filler. but didn't someone said that the next sox move will be a trade?

getting JS and the maybe getting a comp pick, if he doesn't resign. this got me thinking last nite as i went to bed. why not and how much would it cost for cincy to trade Johnny Cueto - sp. prob way too much for me. oh well. Pit watch and Danks up next.

QUOTE (gosox41 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) I think after these last two movessels the Sox are maxed out. Aren't they around $90 mill? I think Vicredo and Danks neeneed to go beforecasting major can happen. Unless Jerry decides to break the bank. Currently the Sox are contenders in the Central but by no means the favorites. Rodon isn't proven and Danks was terrible last year. Bob ..... danks was not terrible. 180+ innings and what was his record?

this signing really took me by surprise. i like it.

QUOTE (glangon @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) Cool, we have our closer and RH Starter now. By my reckoning we need a Left Fielder (preferably a Left Handed Bat) and possibly a LOOGY in the pen. If the rumours are correct about the Pirates wanting Danks and if we can free up some payroll. I would love to see us taking a run at Scherzer. Imagine the rotation of Sale Scherzer Samardzijia Quintana Noesi Go on Rick. Show them all that you mean business. yeah, but i really doubt the sox have that payroll flexibility. nice to dream. i am with you on this.

well that trade finally happen, i have been watching and waiting, biting my nails. i still think it is alot, but i am selfish fan. loosing Bassitt does hurt at least for me as a fan. however i rather have a trip to the playoff. Det still looks tough with their SP's and if JS doesn't resign, at least the sox gets a comp. at least Anderson and Montas wasn't touch.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 04:50 AM) Nieto is also doing very well. Here is a link to how every Sox player in every winter or fall league has done : http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=cws thank for the link.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 05:24 AM) http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/thread...r-Beeston/page3 Blue Jays' fans are absolutely appalled by the idea of bringing in Kenny and they are not fond of current CEO Beeston. It's interesting as I wouldn't be very upset if Williams did leave, but most of the posters around here seemed to be bothered by the idea. i will go with my positive remark and leave it like that. he earned the right to continue to explore a better position.

i think that Tor will sign that person from Balt. Daquette (sp).

if the sox sign David Robertson, he will cost a draft pick as comp.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) #FREEMORIN You might as well trade him at this point since Q refuses to play him. Maybe throwing him in a deal would convince someone to take Bickell's contract off their hands yeah i agree, Bickell is a waste of money and roster space.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 06:39 PM) You have no idea the circumstances. This criticism is outrageous. He likes his job now, you think he'd throw it away for a promotion that's not a sure thing? He's a human. if this is true, just like anyone, he worked hard to get in a position to promote himself. this will be another feather in his hat. maybe JR is saying all the right things to position the sox to get a comp pick to release him. i am one of the most vocal person against KW, that aside, he help get the sox a WS, get Jose A, and yes, he should have learned a crap load as a FO person in his career. if KW wants the position, i wish him well. now back to sox baseball and this week coming.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) How about a scenario where we get Ethier and pay him for the next two years. Dodgers get Danks and pay for him the next two years. In year 3 when we still have Ethier, the Dodgers pay more than half making it not bad for us if we want to cut him after year 2. i know we covered all this in another thread before, but i will still say, and with different players. he get Ethier and prospect for Danks. no money will be exchange. now for the prospects, either 1 of the following - Pedro Baez - RHP, Chris Reed - LHP, Jarret Martin - LHP, this will leave their upper prospects alone.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 07:26 AM) If we are picking up a scrapheap SS w hopes of find lightnig in a bottle to replace Lexi, I think I'd take my chances on Jed Lowrie. This is all barring we get some sort of major league SP or LF or C in return. I don't want to trade Alexei for prospects if we are truly "going for it" as signing LaRoche indicates strongly. QUOTE (Vance Law @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 07:43 AM) I was exaggerating Cleuluis' hitting ability, which is very limited, to point out how bad E Cabrera was with the bat last year. 263 players got at least 300 plate appearances last year and advanced stats regard Cabrera as the 8th worst in baseball last year. Regarding defense, my understanding was that Cleuluis would be an above average defensive shortstop in MLB right now. Both are excellent opinions. i was wrong in my thinking.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 06:49 AM) Let the fun almost begin... It's the calm before the storm, baby! there is a lot of hype and anticipation, at least for me in this upcoming winter meeting. quick rhetorical question, what is planned from Hahn and the Sox. jeeze i am really excited.

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 02:17 AM) You've got it backwards, when you have a weak system you try to add as much talent as possible, regardless of where they play, your team has a low talent level and drafting specifically for a position, like a closer for example, will not put you over the top. When you're one or two guys away from a playoff/title run, then you draft for specific positions, to shore up your depth... i.e. taking a MLB ready lefty reliever because you need one now even if you have to overdraft. i may have my statement backward but i have said pretty much that same as your explanation. i never said draft for a specific position. i said that the system, the sox system is lacking, they have plenty of holes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2014 -> 01:48 AM) This is totally backwards. "We have lots of holes. We shouldn't take BPA because we don't have a hole". What? You always, always, always, always take what you think is the best player available in round 1. You can take positions you think you're weak at in other rounds to try to add depth, but in round 1 you take the best player available. Examples? The LA Angels took this random CF named Mike Trout when they had like 6 CFs on their roster being paid like $200 million. The White Sox had no room for a starting pitcher when they drafted Chris Sale, to the point they stupidly put him in the bullpen for a season. I think both those teams are content that they took what they felt was BPA. thanks for your response and i will keep my response on your parameters. RD 1 of this draft has a very good list of players between 1-5. after that the list of players are good. 2015 has a really nice, huge group of HS'ers. where the sox is drafting, #8, according to this last mock, i wouldn't like to draft a RP/CL. i will pick the best player the pitcher, Bickford. now is the question, what is the draft strategy that the sox FO agreed to. is it pitching, hitting? is it HS or college rt? will it be based on positional demands? many yrs ago KW have said the sox are in a state of flux. the sox can not go and use a first rd on a HS player b/c of the yrs of development. so if this yr draft, if the elite player of the draft are gone, address the most glaring holes, which would have been identified by the FO, however i prob needed to add, i do not think a RP/CL is the most needed. for me, it would have been the outfield, a player who can hit and if lucky a Lefty. Now to your example. Trout, how many teams passed on him? it is again hind-sight. someone in the LAA saw something in him that was special and drafted him. The same can be said with the sox and Sale. again thanks for asking me to explain.