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so, when do Cubs fans start crying about being robbed by the "evil" Manny last year while just ignoring Sosa

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:18 AM) Most people do. Hell if you compare me now to how I looked even 2 years ago you'd have to assume I'm juicing. The eye test is more than flawed. me too, between 17 and 19 I dropped about 75 pounds and was skinny as hell, but over the last 10 years I've added good muscle. So if you see a pic of me at 19 I'm toothpick, now I have muscle and the most I've used is creatine (which probably was dirty back in the day, but that was a long time ago)

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:14 AM) No, you're right and a few media members have come out and said as much. That they ignored the obvious signs during the 90's when they should have been reporting it. Gammons will simply take Manny's word for it: a prescription drug triggered the positive test, Manny's no juicer. cool, I'm glad that there's the self policing out there by the media, it really should be a bigger story IMO. That's what drives me crazy about it though, I have worked out and been in gyms for about 10 years, so the latter portion of the juice era and it was just openly discussed how MLB players were likely juicing and what specific juice they were using to get the specific results. It was right there and just ignored by so much of the media. I'm going to take the extreme position and if the HOF is going to punish players for steroid use they should punish some of the journalists who covered the game during that time and not honor them as quickly. I still think many, including Gammons, deserved to be honored, but let's not give them a complete free pass.

QUOTE (Cali @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:46 AM) It sounded like Peter Gabriel, but I wasn't 100% sure. Thanks. It's an awesome song. I also loved how they used the accoustic version of Overkill by Colin Hay in an earlier episode. Those are two tremendous songs.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:09 AM) So what's Gammon's gonna say about this? Will he be forced to defend Manny, a player whom he's called out over the past year? If Manny is dirty then it taints both Sawx Championships. Boy, I'm probably going to catch a ton of flack for this, but I think there's many people in the media, Gammons included, who got a free pass for not red flagging the steroid era earlier. So many of them just bought the "increased workout" program at face value when if they went to their local gym and asked a rookie personal trainer they could have obtained some great insight. He'll try and spin the Manny excuse or that he wasn't doing it in '04 or '07

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:08 AM) What will be interesting is how the Dodgers handle the option for next year. I believe its a player option. What if Manny comes back and hits .280? I wonder if they will try to fight it. or they could get a bargain if this is just a blip on the radar. I mean this by no matter what side you take on it, that he was jobbed by a prescription or he was using PEDs.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 7, 2009 -> 08:03 AM) I'm sorry your hero has been exposed, I'm sure its tough for you, but name one person who has been suspended for 50 games that hasn't lost in the court of public opinion. There have been several who never had a positive test that have lost. Manny is cooked. Maybe with alot of the public, but Big Mac, Sosa, Bonds, etc. all still have many supporters. Also, on the 51st game he is going to come back and just tear it up.

I really agree with Canseco on the point that MLB and the players union is skating on the PED issue

When asked about Thomas, Canseco said "I don't know, it was the steroid era."

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:52 AM) since when do doctors give out silly supplements with questionable effects? he isn't saying it's a supplement, he's saying there was a medical condition that needed a prescription that his doctor thought would be OK. Although if I'm a MLB player I check with MLB on everything.

So am I the only one thinking in 50 games that Manny on a mission is going to be extremely scary. He may put up numbers close to what he did for the Dodgers after he got traded last year.

oh man, Canseco is in full conspiracy/crazy mode. He's saying he probably didn't test positive now, it's a conspiracy to make up for past use.

Canseco to be on ESPN 1000. Manny's official statment is a banned medication from a doctor. He says he took and passed 15 drug tests and he takes full responsability for this. Edited that because it looked weird since I typed it as stuff was going on

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:43 AM) Not disagreeing given the talent in their lineup and the fact that they have an extra OF anyway, but this is going to put a lot more pressure on a weak starting rotation. They'll probably have to do something to shore up the back end of it. yeah, it will make it interesting, especially since I think they were gonna walk with the division, and that's not going to happen now. Who do you think is their main rivals? I go with the D'Backs. They're going to be tough, especially if Webb comes back in a reasonable amount of time. Although, the D'Backs offense still leaves a little to be desired.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:42 AM) Palmeiro? He'd have been a for sure HOF had he not taken it. Also, A-Rod didn't get suspended because the policy was in place but between the leaked test and he admitted something (I don't believe he admitted everything) IMO he was the first huge name to get beyond rumor

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:40 AM) The NL West isn't as bad as it was a year ago. I agree, the teams are stronger, but I stil think the Dodgers can weather this and be the favorites when he comes back.

Didn't Canseco recentally call him out?

wow, that sucks. The Dodgers catch a huge break that they're in that terrible NL West, they can tread water and wait for him to get back

"Book of Love" by Peter Gabriel

QUOTE (shipps @ May 7, 2009 -> 06:38 AM) Uhhhh yes he uhhhh is uhhhh And for Holmes to always refer to him as an icon and legend is exhausting. He's insanely bad and he's equally as bad when discussing football, but I'm sure he brings in the meatheads.

QUOTE (kev211 @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:14 AM) Price isnt throwing that well but they're only keeping him in like 4 innings a game to keep his innings down no matter how good he is throwing in a certain game. They'll call him up when they feel he can go 7IP every start without throwing too many innings. I've just heard quick snips on MLB Net and BBTN about him not throwing as well as they would like, but I haven't heard any in depth. Do you know if his stuff isn't up to snuff or is he just having control problems?

QUOTE (JustWin @ May 7, 2009 -> 07:23 AM) But he's never gone on the DL and missed a significant # of starts. Also, he did pitch game 3 of the NLDS against the Dodgers. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?g...nmlb_1#boxscore True, but he didn't pitch very well and he was having his problems last year in September when the rosters were expanded. Look, could Harden pull it together and reach his potential with the Cubs? Of course, but as you can see for what he was traded for, many people in baseball are still weary of him. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harderi01.shtml Also, it's not like he's been lights out this year. I'm not sure if these stats include last nights numbers or not, but even if they don't, coming into last night his ERA + was a below average 93.

QUOTE (JustWin @ May 7, 2009 -> 06:09 AM) Harden went 7+ innings yesterday and was hitting 96mph. If they were to go out and somehow get Peavy (who had 12 K's last night), that rotation would be sick. I really hope they don't sign Harden to a contract extension as he is one of the best pitchers in the game when healthy (and of course, so far with the Cubs he's been able to stay healthy). And with the Dodgers running away with the NL West, I really hope the Padres trade Peavy to some other team soon before the Cubs have a chance to get him. That's not really true... they shut him down for a few starts at the end of last year and there was a huge question fo whether or not he would have been able to start against the Dodgers if the Cubs actually won a game in the NLDS.

He might be a vampire or at best a day walker

QUOTE (fathom @ May 6, 2009 -> 07:01 PM) From some early reports I had heard, Price wasn't throwing very well. Yeah, MLB Network discussed him and said he isn't as sharp as they would like him to be right now.