santo=dorf

El Duque was traded after the World Series, and the Sox were shopping Garcia. As for trading players when their value is high, what about Miguel Olivo and Simas? I heard the Jeremy Reed wing in Cooperstown is currently being torn apart. Matt Guerrier won 18 games in the minors before he was traded.

Furcal's career OBP isn't that good for the money he makes, and I can't see LA dealing him, let alone throwing more money to get rid of him after his productive year. If they were worried about money (which I don't think they are,) I think it's more likely they owuld move and eat money on JD Drew. Personally I like the idea of Byrnes/Mack at the top of the lineup, but I'm not sure if Byrnes would come here for a platoon role. Put them at #1 and get Omar Vizquel, a true #2 hitter behind them. Vs. LHP Mack: .208/.208/.276 Byrnes: .329/.384/.595 Vs. RHP Byrnes: .247/.291/.443 Mack: .304/.380/.438

"You girls up for a dirty sanchez? One of my old friends showed me a movie."

Oh I'm sure the Yankees would LOVE to have Javy Vazquez back. I wouldn't mind a platoon of Byrnes/Mack in the #1 spot, of course Ozzie would f*** it up by playing both guys everyday and having them swith the LF and CF position every now and then.

I was going to ask, how is this any different from banning smoking in restaurants and bars?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So, you are saying that scoring runs is the more important factor for a lead-off hitter? More important that OBP? Ok, lets check out how correct you are about how good rollins is. How about listing the top 10 players in the MLB in runs last year? Sounds like a plan 1.G Sizemore 132 2. C utley 128 3. J ROLLINS 124 4. C Beltran 121 5. J Reyes 120 6. A Soriano 118 7. H Ramirez 115 8 D Jeter 114 9. A Pujols 114 10. J Damon 113 yeah, he sucks. Next time read my post. I clearly wrote "I rather have a guy who gets on base much allowing him to score more runs on other player's home runs." I didn't say I want a guy who scores a lot of runs. Fathom, here are two guys who wouldn't cost as much and would be upgrades over our current LF and SS. I don't want both of them, but I wouldn't mind one or the other. Omar Vizquel (Former Indian and Sox target,) and Frank Cattalonotto (or however the hell you spell it.)

Thank you for showing the horrible contract. Why exactly does this team need more home runs? I rather have a guy who gets on base much allowing him to score more runs on other player's home runs.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly why I said they are VERY small sample sizes. Read next time. I did, which is why I brought up HOW small they were noting they weren't even discussion. :rolly If you no they are not worth anything, why did you bother claiming Thome was "subpar" in situational hitting? My cat's breath smells like cat food, but like the sample sizes you used, it's not worth mentioning.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Rollins batting #1 Career .336 OBP 2006 .341 .....and it's not worth giving up players/prospects and absorbing a fat contract (think $35 million) for it. That's a s***ty OBP for a leadoff man too.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ideally you would maybe want to throw BMAC out for Crawford, and someone else out for Rollins. Have rollins bat #1 and Crawford #2. That is what I ideally would want out of that situation if it was to happen. You would then solve two defensive questions, and two offensive questions, but you would still need to pick up some pitching. Career OBP: Crawford: .326 Rollins: .329 Podsednik: .342 Iguchi: .346 I would live with Crawford even with his lack of walking, but I wan't no part of Rollins. I can't even imagine how much we would have to give up and how much money we would have to give to two guys with sub-.330 OBP's.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thome's production fell off a bit after his injuries, of course they did. But he was still one of the best hitters on the team during that period. The only real criticism you can have about thome is that his situational hitting was pretty subpar this year. Bases loaded .143 .250 Second and third .000 .444 Close and late .190 .414 they are VERY small sample sizes, but it seemed that when we needed him most to me, that he wasnt a huge factor. That and with a 3-2 count he almsot always watched the pitch. Those sample sizes are so small they aren't even worth discussion Runners on second and third: He's had 3 at-bats Bases loaded: 7 at-bats His one hit was a grand slam and he had a bases load walk Seriously. THREE AT-BATS???? Let's look at a much larger sample size: Men on, 2 outs: 88 at-bats .307/.430/.636 Man on 3rd less than 2 outs: 23 at-bats .391/.447/.957 Subpar my ass.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I appreciate the statistical homework, but please. Everybody can throw out as many stats as they want. Here's the stat that matters: "W". Take a nice long look at that one. Because for all the decimals and stats and figures, etc., it sure didn't amount to much, did it, compared to 2005? Who cares if we scored a lot of runs, if it didn't mean a win? Yeah, we scored a lot of runs, all right: and then would score zero the next day. Pull out all the stats you want, but I've seen this team before. In 2004. Only then instead of Thome, Konerko and Dye it was Maggs, Frank, Konerko and C. Lee. Translation=you'll just keep throwing sheeeet at the wall waiting for it to stick. Have fun. The problem with the 2006 team has already been mentioned several times in this thread, and it's not "clutchness" or "smallball."

LV, please answer this. How is the 2006 team not clutch? They are first in BA, OBP, SLG% and sac flies in the American league. Seriously, they have a .310 batting average with RISP.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> PECOTA never projects anyone to hit like over .310 and over 35 homers, it takes into consideration that every player has the possibility of getting injured. For instance, lets say thome has a 1 in 3 chance of getting injured and missing most of the year. His projected totals go down by 1/3 to compensate. Its like vegas odds, they dont tell you what will happen, but tell you what has teh best odds of happening. VORP IIRC does not take into account defensive stats either, which would raise uribe and anderson, but probably not to the point that they should still have had every day jobs...that is if you buy into any of these stats Ok, so how exactly do they systematically determine the odds of a player being injured? Vegas, like these stat sites (BP,) is all about suckering people for their money.

If smartball or smallball is all about putting together 1 or 2 runs like you mentioned, how would that help us if we are down 3-0? This year team has left more guys on base despite leading the league in BA with RISP because WE ARE GETTING ON BASE MORE OFTEN. With RISP: Sox have a .310 BA 15 points better than the second team in the AL Sox have a 34 point advantage over the Yankees in OPS. Sox lead the AL in sac flies with 56. Sox are third in AL in sac bunts with 44 (1 behind Detroit and 6 behind KC)

That data shows me how flawed the projection system is (PETCO?) and how little one show pay both money and attention to that crap.

I thought Ozzie said there's no such thing as a good manager.

Career walks in a White Sox uniform: Jim Thome: 105 Aaron Rowand: 96

Cool Stuff.

:rolly: at the "draft position" excuse. The NL teams have already clinched spots 1-20. Lebron James isn't going to fall to us either.

so how does he carry the guitar case? With his mouth???

At-bats/strikeout: 1st half: 3.25 2nd half: 3.75 THOME IS STRIKING OUT AT A LESSER RATE IN THE SECOND HALF GO/AO 1st Half: 0.74 2nd half: 1.20 THOME IS HITTING MORE GROUNDBALLS THAN POPOUTS IN THE SECOND HALF RISP GO/AO: April: 1/2 May: 2/6 June: 2/6 July: 6/6 August: 5/2 September: 5/7 You see that? He's hitting ground balls at a higher rate with RISP IN THE SECOND HALF With RISP at bats/strikeouts: April: 13/3 4.333 May: 26/9 2.889 June: 23/8 2.875 July: 15/5 3.000 August: 15/2 7.500 September: 21/4 5.25 You see that? He's getting FEWER at-bats with RISP and his Stirkeout rate is WAY, WAY down. You have been seriously owned in this conversation. I'm going to ask one more time; whose side are you on? The Sox's, or the Tribune's? (ie, supporting propoganda)

QUOTE(chisoxt @ Sep 25, 2006 -> 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Reagardless of his batting average, the important statistics, HR and RBI clearly indicate that Thome was not very good in the second half. I am not sure how much the Sox are on the hook for Thome's remaing three year deal at about $13.5 million per., but I would implore Kenny to seek a deal for this guy before becomes a huge liability down the road. Trade him while he still has value. LMAO at HR and Rbi's being the only "important" stats for a player, and that wasn't even the stupidest part of the post. A player can have a decent amount of HR and RBI's, but not be that good (Tony Batista a few years ago.) A player can be very productive without hitting home runs or driving in runs as well. Hangar, I didn't cherry pick s***. I posted the half numbers against LHP and RHP for both Thomas and Thome. YOU were the one looking for Frank's second half, against LHP, Batting average. That's cherry picking. Care to explain the .152 batting average? Are you on the Sox's side, or the Tribune's? (ie, supporting propoganda)

I'd rather see KC sweep the Twins so we don't have to deal with that pesky tiebreaker.

Since Hangar won't do his own homework; 1st Half Thome: against RHP: .322/.433/.806 1.239 OPS in 180 at-bats against LHP: .257/.382/.394 .776 OPS in 109 at-bats 1st Half Thomas: against RHP: .262/.369/.530 .899 OPS in 168 at-bats against LHP: .152/.361/.500 .861 OPS in 46 at-bats Wow Hangar. A .152 BA. Shouldn't righties do better agianst lefties? 2nd Half Thome: against RHP:.321/.486/.621 1.107 OPS in 112 at-bats against LHP: .218/.326/.333 .679 OPS in 78 at-bats 2nd Half Thomas: against RHP: .301/.371/.568 .939 OPS in 183 at-bats. against LHP: .286/.452/.554 1.006 OPS in 56 at-bats. Hangar is to Jim Thome what the Tribune is to the Sox. Make your point, and avoid all the facts that may point otherwise. Hangar, are you on the SOX's side, or the Tribune's?