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I had a feeling someone would bring up the "Crede is getting better every year" argument. How do you figure? 2002:.285/.311/.515 2003:.261/.308/.433 85 point dip in OPS 2004:.239/.299/.418 24 point dip in OPS (109 since) 2005:.252/.303/.454 39 point increase (still 60 down from 2002) 2006:.283/.323/.506 72 point increase (up 12 since 2002) It looks like a parabola to me, but it could also be a cosine curve.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 11, 2006 -> 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He screwed up the average for Uribe, thats why it was hard to find Yeah, now I see it. Not sure how it happened. So how is people are willing to throw so much money at Crede after this year when his season compares to Uribe's 2004? I know Crede has a better history than Juan, but his "great" season is surprising similar's to Uribe's "breakout" season. I completely forgot about it until someone posted Juan's SLG% from that season.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 11, 2006 -> 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No one from 00-06 with these numbers. Who is the mystery man? Really? Both guys are great defensively. The first guy people are willing to give 5/50 to. The second guy got his contract after that year and is now considered overpaid.

Just curious.

QUOTE(Brian @ Oct 10, 2006 -> 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hate that mosaic thing TV does when girls get nekkid. Maria and Candice both got nude and we didn't see a damn thing on Extreme Strip Poker. Go figure. They had to make up for Regal's wang shot the other night.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Oct 10, 2006 -> 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But I dont see Riske staying. He really cost us in key situations down the stretch this season. Like when? His onyl blown save was on August 25th (Hunter Home run, Sox tied it right back up,) and I don't see anything in September.

QUOTE(shipps @ Oct 10, 2006 -> 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Who is the last thirdbase coach that anyone has liked?I cant think of one. I liked Bruce Kimm in the one year he was here.

Zimmerman has been compared to Schmidt and Rolen. He is a great defensive third baseman. Inge makes a lot of errors, but he is pretty good too.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you sure? I realize he launched his own religous based brand. Heck, even a few WWE stars like Shawn Michaels even work it. But from what I remember, he has always worked for WWE since his "retirement" either as a road agent or something else. Wikipedia says he's been an agent only since April 2005.

QUOTE(Brian @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> DiBiase has been working as an agent for a few years with WWE now. I've stepped away from the ring for a few years now, but he still is a sell-out. Is this the first time he's been on TV in awhile? When did Lita get those breasts?

Ted Dibiase = Hypocrite. This religion-brainwashed nut bashed the WWF/E for years because of their content, launch his own organization (WXO???,) and said he would never work for Vince. I guess everybody does have a price. It was cool to hear his music though.

I'd take Zimmerman over Crede and you might want to look at the numbers a little more closely. His OBP was 28 points higher, but his SLG was 35 points lower. I'd take the OBP advantage between two guys with simliar OPS's Atkins on the road: .313/.402/.531 Sure as hell looks like he can hit away from Coors too. Don't know how he is defensively though. QUOTE(aboz56 @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 08:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I still think Aramis is right up there with Crede, at least offensively. Aramis > Crede Offensively, Ramirez is an average defender. He's also a dog and will make much more money than Crede after this season. I wouldn't take him over Joe.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was overblown, but I definitly got a kick out of Rogers spraying the crowd and then FOX panning to Zumaya and there he is chugging down both bottles of champagne. I got a question. How much do you think those bottles of champagne are? I thought the celebration was pretty good and made me wish the White Sox won a series at home last season. I didn't catch the label of the Champagne, but after the White Sox swept your Red Sox last year ( ) they were drinking Barefoot Cellars Champagne, which is only around $9 a bottle. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 6, 2006 -> 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Didn't the Tigers make a run at Vazquez? I think Zumaya was part of the package, and Rogers most likely wouldn't have been there. I do know KW tried to sign Rogers a couple of years ago but really lowballed him so I don't think he would have come to the Sox. I think this series and of course the result of 2005 shows that pitching is so much more important than having all stars at ever other position. I hope KW spends every resource he has this offseason on the pitching staff. There was some talk, but I think the D'Backs demanded Zumaya and Verlander. Supposedly Dombrowski had a trade in place for Dontrelle Willis giving up Granderson and Verlander. I don't think Rogers would've come here because of his agent, and there was some falling out back in 2003 over a million dollars.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When it comes ot a rookie you look at the progress a player makes. You can throw out a rookie pitchers first few starts and see if he's progressively getting better. Its a sign of progress and growth being made. If we are talking about a veteran than ya, its pointless to throw later stats out, but with young players looking at stats like most Sox fans do about Anderson makes a lot of sense (because he should get better and well he did get better as the season went on). So how come in the comeback thread you said Frank's stretch numbers counted more?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It really amazes me how little respect Jim Thome gets from this board. His numbers this past season are very similar to the numbers Frank Thomas put up in 1993 when he won the MVP. Yeah but how did he do in the second half, against LHP with Scott Podsednik on second? Oh, he had a .900 OPS??? Well sometimes the stats don't tell the whole story and his production just wasn't there in second half.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't disagree (well in regards to Konerko LT) but I could see Thome moved. I just don't think it will be this off-season. Thome may be out of baseball in 09 and probably will be in 2010. If Thome isn't going to be on the Sox, it's going to be because they didn't pick up his option. I also like how you think moving Thome would be a cost savings move (saving us a whopping $8 million a year to remove a 1.000 OPS from the Left handed side,) yet people here are willing to give Crede 5 years, $50 million. Now you're talking about moving Uribe along with Thome/Konerko so get A-Rod here? Nobody is going to absorb all of Uribe's contract, and no team is going to help the White Sox accomodate A-Rod at short by giving much of value for Uribe. Is the Xbox forum open yet?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd add Arod using a pitcher and Josh Fields, but than I'd also go ahead and swing a deal that moved Thome or Konerko out of Chicago because financially we'd need to clear some stuff up, imo. That makes getting A-rod even more pointless. I can't believe some people here would overrate Crede so much, they would move Konerko or Thome to keep him on the roster. In case anyone is wondering, yes I think Crede is overrated here. QUOTE(gosox41 @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have no problem trading Thome and making PK the every day DH and using Gload as the every day first baseman. It's not going to happen. Ever. Period. Is it even worth discussing? Ross Gload is not an everyday player. Thome waived his NTC to come here, so why would he waive it again to leave after being the second best hitter on the team? KW said there would be some "minor tweaking." This isn't fantasy baseball.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Honestly I didn't pay attention enough to them to know: did they play smallball as well? I think so, but I don't know for sure... Neither team relied on smallball. They scored a lot of their runs on homers and relied on their starting pitching.

QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Roberts may not be the best choice since the steroids allegations. He's talking about left fielder, Dave Roberts to fill the LF gap. Not the second baseman, Brian Roberts.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Anyone notice how eerily similar their season was to ours last year? -Dominated division all season long, pitching being the main reason -The sure-thing clinch was in fact blown in the last month (where we almost blew it) after they cooled off -Lost first playoff game, then swept the next three (what we did in the ALCS) Sound familiar? Good for them. no mention of smallball?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd rather Crede be involved in this deal than Fields. Otherwise Crede will just leave via free agency in a year and the White Sox will be left without anybody at the hot corner. Crede isn't a free agent after the 2007 season.

QUOTE(' date= @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If Brian Anderson can't put up a .666 OPS next season to match Willy Taveras's .666 OPS in 2005, I will eat my own pubic hairs. I'm more concerned with Anderson playing solid defense in center field and from most accounts he does. dine in!!! QUOTE(' date= @ Dec 31, 2005 -> 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since when is AVG the only good measure of a player's offense? OPS is a much better stat to measure a player's offensive capabilities. And I'd bet my left nut that Anderson puts up a higher OPS than Taveras's .666 OPS from last season.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Um, those who actually pay attention seem to agree about a lot of things about our planet's history. It's around 4.5 billion years old, life evolved on it very early, oxygen developed around 2.5 billion years ago, multicellular life after that, hard parts evolved around 550 ma, oceanic crust tends to subduct underneath other crust when it gets older than about 250 million years, 251 million years ago 98% of the genera on earth went extinct, 65 million years ago there was a large impact, etc, and on and on and on. Mars, we don't even know close to that much. Where in the Bible does it say that?

Why would Torre want to manage? Won't he get $7.5 for each of the next two years to sit on his ass if he doesn't manage another team?

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Boycotts do not equate to death threats. As for your'Christian dad's', That goes across all party, racial and religious lines. Don't EVEN try to say that is only a 'Christian' thing. You argue better than that. Yet you and Nuke freely label EVERY Muslim as a rabid decapitator. I guess I'm just as likely to be beheaded by an african Amercian-Muslim as some terrorist nut job in the middle east? How come Muslims don't get the party, racial, geographical treatment? A little biased are we?