santo=dorf

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm just waiting for Thome to help this team win a game when it's in the 9th and we're tied or down a run. Well Excussssssssssee Jim Thome for helping this team BEFORE the f***ing 9th inning so we aren't in these situations. Just when I thought you were getting better. Back on ignore you go.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 11:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow...I'm stunned they threw him the fastball. Thome doesn't get it done in the 9th....stunner. Aren't you the same person whining about Thome always trying to hit a three run homer when nobody is on base? I guess the Vazquez/Contreras bashing is out, and the mythical "Jim Thome is not clutch" is the new fad for the dark clouds. Thome has a .625 OBP and 1.000 SLG in late innings in September you fool. I see Joe "clutch" Crede just struck out as well. Where's your sarcasm for that?

Thank you for bringing K-Rod in a non-save situation.

Time for bed. Please win Sox. I just found out the Twins won

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Cherry picking 101 is now in session what if Garland had been just average in the second half Or just average in the first month or two? Uribe is driving me nuts. .259 OBP and sinking, and he continues popping early pitches up.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Sep 12, 2006 -> 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just had to say something, eh? ...but his BA was .282.

What a joke

Anderson with only a .326 OBP

Thome loses another RBI opportunity.

Stoopid Thome with another non-clutch, no -RBI plate appearance

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are throwing 1 month's total statistics to disprove those points? Let's look at the cumalative numbers here. Oakland ranks in the bottom four in runs, hits, total bases, RBI, batting average, slugging percentage, OPS, and are 7th in OBP and 9th in home runs. Yet Thomas has put up great numbers in nearly all of those categories. Up until September, He never got a lot of help no matter what way you look at it. Thome seems to have always done so. What the hell are you talking about? You said In response to Frank's bad start to the season. Doesn't it make perfect sense to llok at April numbers when you say "Oakland's players never got it going in the first place" and when talking about Frank's down month? (WHICH WAS APRIL) What's in the water you're drinking? I'm also still laughing at Frank the Tank still claiming Thome has been "unclutch" this second half despite an OPS well into the 900's with RISP I don't know who's more annoying. The blind Frank extremists, or the Sox fans who used to bash him when he was on the team.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To use this excuse for why Jim Thome's production has slipped just proves the point further for Frank Thomas. Oakland's players never got going in the first place, offensively speaking, yet Thomas is putting up monster numbers. More bulls***. April Numbers Chavez: .301/.392/.681 (very unusual for him) Milton Bradley: .246/.373/.406 Kotsay: .350 OBP Swisher: .313/.404/.718 Jason Kendall was terrible with the bat yet still had a .355 OBP Those guys have little impact on Frank's crappy .669 OPS, and he only had 11 RBI's with 5 regulars in the lineup having an OBP> .349 Why don't you guys look this stuff up before making such claims?

QUOTE(Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the war on terror is like the war on drugs. Oh please. The war on terror hasn't been that big of a flop.

QUOTE(MSHAWKS @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thome has given this team nothing in the second half. Spin it any way you like, santo=dorf, but Sloth hasn't been a run producer lately. You are the one spinning things by putting everything in RBI's Here are some August OBP% for you: Pods: .284 Iguchi: .310 Thome: .453 Konerko: .383 Dye: .390 Crede: .351 AJ: .265 (!) Uribe: .261 Anderson: .367/Mack .310 !!!!!!!!!!!! In big letters for you since you obviously won't set your bias aside: HOW THE f*** IS THOME SUPPOSE TO GET AN RBI IF NOBODY IS ON BASE???? The only answer is to try and hit nothing but solo home runs, something Hangar has tried to put on him How many Sox games have you been watching lately? QUOTE(G&T @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would probably help if he had a reason to swing, rather than a reason to take a walk. You mean Thome shouldn't try and hit that 3-0 curve ball way outside to drive the runner in? Why oh why must Thome scare opposing pitchers into throwing him unhittable pitches?

QUOTE(MSHAWKS @ Sep 11, 2006 -> 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 20 RBIs since the Break vs. 49 RBIs since the break. Thomas has more RBIs in your "one week sample" period (18) than Thome has in August and September combined (15). Which begs the question: Where have you gone Jim Thome, our city turns its lonely eyes to you? Get a clue. RBI's involve a team effort. Dye was moved into the third spot because he is the eventual AL MVP, and how exactly is Thome supposed to knock in a guy when Pods offers nothing and Iguchi had a .310 OBP in August? Oh yeah, the #8 and 9 hitters suck too. Comparing RBI's between two different spot orders, when one team is cold and one team is hot is really idiotic. BA, OBP, SLG%. Nahhhhhh let's throw that all the window and just look at RBI's.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Statistics are great, but they hardly tell the entire story. .300/.457/.713 vs. .190/.264/.405 .290/.410/.620 vs. .268/.436/.535 .264/.371/.514 vs. .270/.357/.703 .299/.384/.621 vs. .276/.413/.540 .329/.453/.586 vs. .333/.443/.516 .258/.410/.581 vs. .395/.439/.947 (One Week sample) Those monthly stats tell me enough.

Hey Hangar! Month by month comparison of Thomas and Thome since you think Thome was only good for one month .300/.457/.713 vs. .190/.264/.405 HUGE edge to Thome (.501 diff in OPS) .290/.410/.620 vs. .268/.436/.535 Edge to Thome (.059 diff in OPS) .264/.371/.514 vs. .270/.357/.703 Edge to Frank (.175 Diff in OPS) .299/.384/.621 vs. .276/.413/.540 Edge to Thome (Higher BA to go along with a much higher SLG%) .329/.453/.586 vs. .333/.443/.516 Edge to Thome (.080 diff in OPS) .258/.410/.581 vs. .395/.439/.947 HUGE edge to Frank (.395 OPS, Ofcourse we're only one week into september whereas Thome greatly outproduced Frank for an entire MONTH)

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 09:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Santo....is this .242 incorrect? I only mentioned August and September figuring it'd be too hard to split up the july stats, but I missed the split at the bottom. Of course Frank the Tank will not explain how having a .409 OBP and .529 SLG% in RISP in the seoncd half is a "bad" thing :rolly:

Hilarious how a previous poster mention Thome recent second half struggles with his "clutchness" by pointing out his BA in those situations. Thome RISP in September: .222/.417/.556 Thome RISP in August September: .333/.444/.733 Some of you really need to get your heads examined.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because he continues to fail in clutch spots. I know what the stats say, but his inability to knock in RISP since the ASB has really, really hurt our offense. His 2nd half has been very disappointing, especially considering he's put up some huge numbers in the 2nd half in previous years. No, I thought he had no chance to hit C.C. However, if he's playing in the game, then he neeeds to make adjustments and shorten his swing if he feels overmatched. I would have rather seen Garland bat against C.C. than Thome tonight. It's too bad KW didn't acquire someone in the last month that could have helped us against LHP. Fathom, he doesn't have a chance against LHP. Who's responsibility is it to realize this (Check your own sig) Seriously, we're going to b**** about a guy being "un-clutch" despite havina season OPS over 1.000? Since when did White Sox fans become like Yankme fans? Should we bring back Timo Perez because of his clutchness? Would some of you rather have the 2004 or 2005 Joe Crede over the 2006 Joe Crede because he was more clutch in the past? This is ridiculous.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know what the stats say, but I've been very disappointed with Thome over the last few months. Because of what? Seriously. WTF are you talking about? Did you seriously think he had a chance against NeedsaSebathia today? I thought for sure Gload would be at first with Pauly as the DH.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm assuming your saying this out of frustration from today's game? Nah, he sucked hardcore saturday night too. He can't pitch out of the bullpen when there's guys on base, the game is tied, or when we have the lead. Let him start elsewhere. The management here won't start him, so if we can get a decent starter back in a big trade involving McCarthy, I say do it.

AT this point I'm ready to part with McCarthy as long as it brings up back a starting pitcher Let Charlie Haeger or Lance Broadway become the new McCarthy.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 10, 2006 -> 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Frank's pride would never have allowed him to sign a $500,000 deal with incentives with the White Sox. It's a totally different situation signing with a team that he had accomplished nothing with yet. It would've taken a LOT more than 500K to get Frank back, and KW would never have done that with the questions about Frank's foot. The Sox were fortunate to get a good replacement for Frank, and Oakland was fortunate to get Frank at (as it turns out) a bargain rate. It just wasn't going to happen that way here. ...and really, what else were Frank's options after the Sox decided to part ways with him? There was talk of the Twins, but they thought it was a better idea to sign Batista and Rondell White.

What's with all the Chad Tracy love? His numbers this year look similar to Crede's before 2006.