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QUOTE(winodj @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 09:18 AM) And you reelected who in 2004? If this is such a big issue for you, throw da bum out. We talk about the need to prevent terror but we keep our borders "wide open" to terrorists, leave our ports and cargo uninspected. The party in power has now had 11 years to take care of this problem. They've done nothing. You know why nothing gets done? Because people like you scream racism like bloody murder every time someone comes up with a plan to stop this. Look at all the apologists like Tex and sleepy trying to inject race into this debate and you see my point. Oh BTW. The guy in charge of the Minuteman project is married to a Mexican ( last paragraph of article ). But that's just a front right Tex? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152212,00.html

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 04:44 PM) While I do agree with Pat Buchanan on some foreign policy issues (the old Right policy of non-interventionalism is oddly becoming a policy that many in the left are agreeing with), salad dressing does not get one's point across. Of course it is. You on the left dont want to get involved in military action anywhere anytime, no matter how grave the threat may be.

This is gotta be up there on the list of most hijacked thread ever. :rolly

QUOTE(CubKilla @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 01:30 AM) Hinzman's a pussy Dude, don't even get me started on that piece of s***. I could go on forever.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 11:45 PM) Well Rex the report goes farther than saying they just had bad info http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...pies050331.html That's what concerns me. I think we all can agree that the intel services need some work.

QUOTE(whitesoxmurph @ Apr 1, 2005 -> 12:15 AM) Kip, why would we hate you for expressing your opinion. People like myself and Nuke made a concious decision to defend your right to think what you want on any subject and defend our country. I hope that your class on the Vietnam War will include some alternative views and not just the typical "wrong war, wrong time, wrong place". If you talk to a lot of the commanders on the ground during Vietnam, you will get some interesting insights. The biggest of which is the fact that the congress and executive branch of the government need let the Military commanders in country and at the Pentagon, run the Tactical portion of any war. Strategic and Political constraints should be carefully applied, as to not effect the Tactical operations. I am not saying that the legislative branch of the Gov. should not have a say, but in the case of Vietnam, for example, the decision to stop bombing the North came at a time when most commanders on the ground were just starting to notice the logistical effects of the bombing on the enemy. I also seriously disagree with your Nuclear premise. I do not think that the Soviets would go to war over the sinking of a freighter or two. As far as the nuclear option for the U S, just wouldn't have happened, nuclear weapons did not have a good tactical application in Vietnam and we would never attack the Soviets or the Chinese on a Strategic level for a Tactical outcome in a different theater. I would be interested to hear what your instructor/professor has to say about the Tet offensive. Are you current or ex military yourself? If so then glad to know ya.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 11:08 PM) I'm in a class about the Vietnam War now and I can't believe how dumb this War was. There was such an ignorance of basic issues by the US government I'm surprised that there wasn't eventually a complete overthrow of the government, and then to go and elect Richard Nixon? WTF. As bad as it's going to sound if you were to assign good guy and bad guy in this war, the US would have to be the bad guy. THe US was lucky to have a guy like McNamara in there for as long as they did to fight the Joint Chiefs and make sure it didn't turn nuclear. don't hate me Good guy like McNamara?!?! OMG!!! I think you're confusing this with the Cuban missile crisis. McNamara was a DISASTER!! Both him and Johnson. The 2 of the would sit in the White house basement at all hours of the night picking out individual targets for the Air Force to bomb which had almost no military value but wouldn't make them look bad politically. The 2 of them allowed the NVA to build, what was at the time, the most sophisticated and deadly air defense system in the world by placing air defense installations off limits to bombing until after they were completed. This policy directly led to the death and capture of hundreds of US pilots. This and many other examples of their mismanagement were why this war was as long and deadly as it was. The war itself was just, imho, but the way this cast of flunkies at the highest levels fought it was utterly tragic.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) Over/Under on # of weeks this story continues to dominate cable news. 2.5 I'll go with the under myself. Whacko Jacko will take center stage now for the media jackals.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) Well it sounds like they are probably keeping track of him and besides assassinating him there's probably nothing much else they can do. Fact is there is no perfect solution to terrorists, you can't kill em all, you can't expose em all. You need creativity. Edit: even then this is coming from the O'Reilly Factor and I'm instantly skeptic about anything from that show. The guy who brought it up was from Newsweek magazine. I do give you guys a lot of credit for saying no to Jeremy Hinzman's claim for asylum in Canada.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) I need more information than that and since 9/11 things have tightened up. I think we're doing a pretty good job on our border. I think you guys still have a ways to go especially since you just recently let back into Canada the guy who recruited the LAX Millenium bomber. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151541,00.html

I come back from a major training exercise on Tuesday, and oh yeah, the SOX open up the same day I get back. WOOOOO!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7349099/

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 08:01 AM) If anyone is still interested. When a US Serviceman or woman dies while serving our country in the US military, they are more than 5000 times more likely to be Mexican-American than Canadian-American. Nuke, how many Canadians have you worked with? How many Mexicans? Anyone care to guess how many Hispanics vs. Canadians are Medal of Honor recipients? How in gods name is this relevant to illegal immigrants violating our border? You keep trying to make this into an issue of race and it's not. You're also trying to make it seem that I'm downplaying or thumbing my nose at the contribution Mexicans make to our country. That's also not true. I have no issue with Mexicans, or anybody else for that matter, emigrating to America..............just so long as it follows the proper guidelines and policies we have set forth. Bottom line.....Illegal aliens are breaking US law with their very presence here. This is a fact. We spend BILLIONS of dollars on services and on incarcerating those of em that commit additional crimes while they're here. This is a fact. Another fact is that if we allow this problem to fester for much longer there are going to be dire consequences for us all.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7340464/site/newsweek/ Here is a guy who was being watched by the government under the FISA act for supporting terrorism and he was hired by the DC school system to be a building manager. His responsibilities included the maintenance of the school system's facilities to include HVAC and water. Who knows what kind of damage this guy could have done in his position. Pre-patriot act: FISA investigations could not be shared with local officials. This allowed someone like this to slip through the cracks and get a job with responsibility over an entire city worth of school children. Post-patriot act: This guy is in custody.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 31, 2005 -> 01:16 AM) "Wood blames Stone for '04 discord" http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-cubs-headlines Typical of the Flubbs mentality. Assign blame anywhere and everywhere but right where it belongs........with the players and manager.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 29, 2005 -> 08:08 AM) Believe it or not.. I had not seen Scarface in it's entirety until last night. I hadn't missed much of it.. but they were parts that left me a bit confused. Like when Tony goes to see his mom and sister and tells his friend to leave her alone.. I then wondered what the reason was why Tony killed him so easily later. If anyone is interested Showtime appears to be playing it every night around 10ish. Ahhh Scarface. One of my all time favorites. "Jew wanna take me? Jew gonna need an ARMY jew gonna take me!!!"

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 30, 2005 -> 10:40 PM) The Ben Davis steroid rumors were made about 3 years ago. They were well before the latest craze of saying anyone and everyone was on the juice. I made a post in the sportsbar thread about steroids that pretty well sums up what I think about all these random accusations coming out now that the scandal as broke.

QUOTE(Hall of Famer @ Mar 30, 2005 -> 10:38 PM) The word in the papers today was that there were only 3 guys left in camp without spots, which goes along with this except those 3 were Widger(Or Davis due to recent events), Thomas and Diaz. Thomas is going on the DL, Either Widger or Davis is going to Charlotte and Diaz is gonna carry their bags. I got it now.

Hey everyone. I heard Mark Buerhle was on steroids when he had his awesome year in 2002. Know why? Cause since he came off the juice in 2003 he has a higher nose hair count in the subsequent years.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 30, 2005 -> 10:32 PM) The way I understand it, he's been told, but who knows. Aside from that the only question is whether Widger or Davis is the guy and it sounds like Davis is the guy. No way is Neal getting demoted with the way he's pitched. And if the Sox carry another pitcher, then someone has to go and I just don't see who that could be. Anyone have a listing of who's still with the team that's on the bubble?

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 30, 2005 -> 10:28 PM) I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but a few years ago, there were a lot of whispers going around that Ben Davis was on the juice. I remember one SI column that was stunned by how much bigger his head looked. I wonder if there's more to this story than what we know. Another one on the juice. You can lump this one in with that lameo story about Prior's calves. :rolly

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Mar 30, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) I loved this; Huh? So 4 million a year is overpaid?

I can't have tobasco sauce on anything. Really hot spicy stuff like that makes me break out in sweats and burns the inside of my mouth.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 30, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) I'm a Crede backer and have been for a while. I'm hoping Joe can pull through and I kind of think he's gonna be a large part in why the Sox offense shocks a lot of people and once again is a top 7 offense in baseball. When he first got here I was hoping he'd be the second coming of Robin Ventura. I think he's got the potential but he really needs to show some people something this season.

QUOTE(HoosierSox @ Mar 30, 2005 -> 04:52 PM) No Brandon Mcarthy on the top 5 prospects. I saw that too. Obviously they didn't do their homework on this team. Toss this one in the trash can right along with Kruk/Reynolds.