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YESSSSSSSSS...FSU comes back from down 24 to send it to OT against Carolina. They need this one bad.

hahaha nice

Yes I've been there. I loved it, but I'd love it alot more if it were closer to me. This is not The View, my friend. Let's not get all emotional. The bottom line is obviously loyalty exists in the fan-team relationship. But loyalty alone is not enough to override all in sports. Sports, both professional and collegiate, are governed by the dollar. If you think loyalty matters to an owner, if you think any given team president will hesitate for ONE SECOND if they have an opportunity to move a team to a better situation because it may upset people, you are ignoring reality. And like you said yourself, those who ignore reality will get it handed back to them.

You dare bring loyalty into a discussion about sports, that's blasphemous. We all know what loyalty is in sports, it is an illusion, a romantic idea that never has been and never will never be. Teams move, that is the reality. Yes it devistates the people left behind. I never said it wouldn't. But ask greasywheels how he feels about the Baltimore Colts playing in Indianapolis. Ask a Dodger fan about Brooklyn. Ask a Ravens fan how long he cried about the Browns leaving Cleveland. And the Ravens are an interesting example, because here they were toiling in Cleveland. They had never been to a Super Bowl, let alone won one. Their last NFL title had been before the Super Bowl even came about. Everyone was outraged when Modell moved them, but the reality was they couldn't compete in their situation. They were playing in a stadium that had become irrelevant, they couldn't generate the capital they needed. Modell did what was good for HIS TEAM. He moved them to Baltimore, into a new stadium. Within a few years they were Super Bowl champions. The White Sox situation isn't as dire as the Browns' was. They don't, however, win their own city. They can't compete with the Cubs. They don't draw like they could in a city where they were number one. Obviously, moving them to New York or Boston (I was half-serious about that anyway, it would never happen) wouldn't change that. But when you look at this team, the path they have followed for the last 80 or so years, and the path they are going down, it is not exactly the model of success. The Sox moving might not be the worst thing for the TEAM. You say they shouldn't move because they wouldn't be the same team, because you love this team and any other version wouldn't be the same. Whose interests are you thinking of, yours or theirs?

I'm not saying everything I do is motivated by selfishness. I should have said alot of my thinking begins with me but rarely ends with me. I think about other people alot, and I'm not going to go naming examples, but even on this board, I've inconvenienced myself to help people. It is like, when there is one slice of pizza left and I'm still hungry but I know other people might want it. Will I just take it? No. Will I ask anyone if they want it? Yes. Will I be upset if they don't take it? No. If that's being selfish, fine. With the White Sox, I can't control what they do and where they go. I never get to see them on tv, and I've only been able to get to a few games at Comiskey. If they moved from Chicago, somewhere closer, I'm not gonna cry about it. Sure I'll feel bad about the people of Chicago losing their team. That said, I'd take advantage of the new-found opportunities. Not doing so would be foolish.

Alot of it does, yes. It's human nature. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. You say Trump would move the Sox to New York because he cares about New York, not Chicago. Now Trump seems to be a somewhat successful man, wouldn't you say he is thinking about what would be convenient to him? Is it that foreign a concept?

There what is? Honesty? Do you really think most of the people on this board who don't live in Chicago would be upset if the Sox suddenly moved into their backyard? I don't. Hell, move em to Boston, build 'em a stadium, I'll go to so many Boston White Sox games, I'll be able to wach all their games, the media will talk about them all the time, it will be a dream come true. They can jump into the NL East, the Expos can move to Vegas and join the AL West, it will be splendid.

Oh yes, real devoted fans. That is why they are second to last in attendance with a first place team who has been to the NBA finals the past two years. Bottom line is the Meadowlands arena is falling apart, nobody goes to the games, East Rutherford offers nothing outside of sports arenas. Have you been there? I have, it's nothing special. It was a no-brainer to move that team. Just because they moved to New York doesn't mean the Sox would move there if they were bought. But I don't care either way, at least they'd be closer to me.

The Nets are moving cause New Jersey sucks as a rule.

I went outside barefoot last week when it was -30 wind chill cause I had to see what it was like. The temp, combined with the snow, numbed my feet in a little over a minute. Oh boy what a rush.

I can't take this f***ing OSU-Michigan make out session on ESPN. It would STILL be disgusting without sports, it's so f***ing loud and nasty. Ughhhhhhhh I have to mute it every time. Someone needs to be fired for it.

This wasn't made for basketball purposes so I don't really care how it affects the RPI's of Duke and UNC. They'll always have the talent anyway, so they'll go just as far regardless of their RPI.

Central time?? Who the hell cares about central time?

Mr. Zero because of 0 hits 0 walks 0 runs? Did someone already come to this conclusion already? If so, well forget I mentioned it again.

I'm pretty sure that if, by some minor miracle this deal went through, that Wolf would be the 3rd starter. Unless you just meant 5th overall.

1 - Reed 2 - Honel 3 - Cotts 4 - Anderson 5 - Wing 6 - Sweeney 7 - Borchard 8 - Rauch 9 - Pacheco 10 - Valido

I wake up and there's a new banner and we signed a japanese closer. i must still be asleep.

I'll do my best.

Aye, I'm not thinkin too clearly right now.

like this edit: ah f*** i put them in the wrong order. well 2 and 3 should be switched around but steve's explanation was practical enough.

No way will I make it, no offense to the people here, it's just that I haven't slept since 5pm yesterday.

Think harder, there has to be a better claim to fame than that.

Phillies are givin up way too much.

Ah I knew the Critic would agree with me.

That wasn't a very memorable tourney, except for the final game, Gonzaga making it so far after a splash the year before, and Szcerbiak bringin Miami to the sweet 16. Was that the Ohio St team of Scoonie Penn and Michael Redd?