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And they beat more than bums when they had a full roster. I get it - they can't beat the top 4 or 5 teams right now without their main parts. And the match up with Philly is just bad. They have no one that can control Embid so it will look bad, but against other top teams they have been in the games when they have had most of their parts and are still playing without multiple parts to the core (something none of the top teams not named the Nets can say in the East). Now the problem is - they just may not be able to integrate the players back properly to get to where they are effective come playoff time. The team defense though has just been atrocious for the past couple months and at this point I don't see it changing. Lavine's defense has clearly been impacted by his knee injury. With that said - they are missing 2 guys who play above average to elite defense and a 3rd who is a 2nd year player who has pretty high defensive upside (albeit - he's missed a massive amount of time and still green). None of that helps against Embid - but it helps against almost all of the other top teams in the East.

I am in the opposite camp. I am shocked it doesn’t happen more often.

I can’t wait until they get Caruso and Ball back. They win this game with them. Plus Ayo is hitting that wall and needs a break. I think the minutes are adding up for him.

The defense is so bad - like awful. Giving up 40 points in 4th quarter. Lavine very impacted by knee injury too.

Would Jarvis Landry be a decent option to pair with Fields along with Mooney, Kmet, and presumably the use of an early pick? I presume he will get cut in Cleveland. Very curious to see how Poles reworks the receiving corps for Fields as it seems pretty clear its an area of focus.

They have beat Utah and Nets pretty good (with full squads), have obviously not been as good against others and had some blowout losses. Technically the random stat being thrown out (3-15) is excluding teams like Utah (so it is biased). I would also note their record against winning teams when they had a full roster - was pretty good. So while I recognize it is an issue, I would be more concerned if their record sucked when they had their full roster (or at least their main guys including 2 of their critical d guys - Caruso/Ball). The big issue with Bulls is going to be how do they integrate the injured guys back in effectively and will they have enough time to get there (and lets hope that no one new gets hurt and there are no setbacks with the guys coming back).

This is the next step - the players are going to paint the owners into a big corner - but meanwhile play tough internally and wait until the owners come back with a new proposal. That will be the next olive branch that happens - the only question is whether it happens again later tonight (after they cancel a block of regular season games or if they will have a more current counter). My guess (probably wrong is) owners will cancel, wait to see how players react...when players go silent and continue the charge on owners ruining game - we will see owners try to make an effort when they see how serious the players are (and I do believe the players are serious).

They will state a block - but really it is just a game of chicken to see how hard the players are. If the players stonewall - at some point we will see both sides come back to the table and we'll see a bigger move to the middle. This is the unfortunate reality given how contentious the two sides were, most notably the fact the owners have a split faction so it is really the players having to negotiate with two distinct factions. If it weren't for the small market teams - I am sure a deal would have been done a while ago - but those teams have power and have clearly dug in (probably because they are very profitable and have more razor thin margins so when you make this moves it is probably a situation where you are literally taking their bottom line from them). Say the small market team pulled in $30M of net income - you make a change that reduces it by $10M - you just cut their net bottom line by 1/3rd (which hurts - so the top line # may be small - but the bottom line impact is felt more significantly).

Said another way - I think all the noise of past two hours is just jockeying for final bit of leverage on both sides. We will see things hunker down and get more serious again tonight.

This - players didn’t seem to be denying so I think this is more both sides took a step back over night and regrouped and probably realized they went further on certain things than they wanted. If they (players) had an issue with the leaks they should have been tackling that last night not 12 hours later.

Agreed - I like the way they are shaping it up. A big advantage for the top 2 teams - bye is huge. You get some extra rest, get to stack your rotation, etc.

Luxury threshold increasing materially should help with Kimbrel overall value as well.

Meeting #12 just ended…Hal Steinbrenner called it a night but sounds like things still rolling. Nothing yet on any new insights from last meeting.

Joc Pederson - I wonder if this tweet is a sign players really are close!!! https://mobile.twitter.com/yungjoc650

On to session 12 https://mobile.twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1498541576792031233?cxt=HHwWgoC-3fvn8cspAAAA

Oh baby baby

https://Twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1498531765878759424?cxt=HHwWgIC93fKs7cspAAAA

I want 3 lake homes and 3 mountain villas…haha. You better not of jinxed it…if owners and players lose momentum I officially blame you

Echo this. He is covering this better than MLB network which I am watching non stop hoping to see breaking news pop up tonight…keep the updates coming 2K…sleep is for the weak.

Don’t stop…get it get it

Oh snap - we might be dancing

Big news and good sign they can agree on this

Yeah - in general I like more. But I do agree with players - division winners need a strong differentiation. And there is the aspect of that is another few starts a World Series team has to make over course of long season.

Shoot after Covid I don’t even remember how many teams make the playoffs (that is sad). Precovid it was 5 right? 3 division winners with a playoff between the 2 wild card teams? So this is a proposal from 10 all the way up to 14. Pretty big increase. I actually like 12 - very curious how the 14 team format would work. Critical under both scenarios for real benefits to go to better teams but 14 with 162 is too many games. I much prefer 140 or even 120 and 14 teams. But hey what do I care - more than anything I just want baseball.

I can’t imagine they get a deal done with 12 playoffs vs 14. Seems like those extra two teams drive a lot more revenue. 14 does seem like a lot depending on how it is done…maybe more byes for better teams and than very quick mini series for back end teams that make it / or heavy ghost wins.