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QUOTE(knowitall @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) lumsden is the guy that everyone is leaving off their prospect lists hes coming off a surjury and who knows if he will ever regain that amazing arm that he had i hope he does for the white sox sake. If he is healthy he will make a impact at the major league level in 2007. Probably the best left handed arm in the system, if not the best arm in the system. Really like his stuff, its just a matter of him staying healthy.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 04:40 PM) And my fantasy team still waits for the return of Ron Artest.......Uh. He's far too good for me to drop yet he remains on my active roster. Yuck I'm in the same boat. I just hope to hell he gets dealt so I can have him down the stretch. The second the trade deadline passes, the second I waive is ass. I refuse to do it till than though cause he's too valuable.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) Heck, that's nothing...look at the Vince Carter and Alonzo Mourning messes from last year...where the guys basically just said "We won't play" and forced trades for vastly lower value than they were worth. Exactly, this has been done before. Artest even said he'd report, which is better than what Alonzo and Vince essentially did.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 03:28 PM) He technically did stop the trade. He told Sacramento he wasn't interested in coming there. Even if he says he's going to report, why would you trade for a player that doesn't want to come there? I really don't have a problem with what he said. Plenty of players haven't been happy with where they are going to go, but in the end he was willing to report.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 03:11 PM) I do. He's a f***ing idiot who has not earned the right to pick and choose where he should play. And Sacto would have been much-improved by artest's playing abilities... It seems that Peja was probably the best they were gonna do. You can't win a trade when everyone knows you're dying to trade the guy. I just saw Greg Anthony on ESPN and he said that Artest never said he wouldn't report, but rather that he didn't want to go their but in the end he'd play for them. Indiana is threatening to suspend him for the rest of the season without pay if he doesn't accept a deal. Sac and Artest haven't even talked. I think there is a good possibility this deal still goes down.

QUOTE(SnB @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 01:50 AM) Trainspotting.......very confusing, at 3 in the morning. Good movie though

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 03:06 PM) Deal off, I don't blame Ron for not wanting to go there. Sacramento sucks this year and they're not getting any better. As far as the Pacers getting Peja, that was a dumb move for them. He is often hurt and IMO is on the downside of his career. Too bad the Lakers won't give up Bynum, Artest could have been a Laker. Artest is basically living in LA IIRC (well at least right now). He's at most of the games and he's pretty much told everyone he'll be in LA. My guess is its just a matter of the Pacers getting antsy and doing it without Bynum. I wouldn't give up Bynum either. He's a pretty good kid and has great size and athletisism. Obviously he's a project, but he looks like a real good pick. I think you'll see Odom or something along those lines for Artest (maybe a 3rd team involved) cause I doubt the Pacers want Odom.

Where is Rolle going? Or has he not announced that yet?

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 03:02 PM) LMAO what a dick. Artest has no desire to go to Sacramento. Are you s***ting me? This is bulls***, I want him playing cause my fantasy team vastly needs him. I guess I was the idiot who thought I was getting a steal when I drafted him.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 02:46 PM) Curt is done imo. Josh obviously needs to stay healthy and to be honest I don't think he's going to be very dominant healthy or not in that park with that team but we'll see obviously. That rotation is suspect at best, they'll compete for the al east but they are not series contenders imo. I agree with you. Now if Beckett and Schilling both are healthy and pitch like they can and have, than they are, but I don't expect that to happen. I would say the same for the Cubs. If they had Prior/Zambrono and Wood healthy all season they would be damn scary in the playoffs (if they got in).

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 01:48 PM) The main reason the Twins struggled last season was because of their lack of offense. And I don't think they improved it enough to not stuggle to score runs in 2006. They should have a little better pitching (especially in regards to starting) and a healthy Torri Hunter. I think the Twins finish 2nd to the Sox and if we stumble out of the gate as the team gels or have injuries they could very well pass us. I think Cleveland got more worse than people think, plus I expect a few of their guys to regress a bit (happens with youngsters often). I think they will be very good though in another year or two.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 01:26 PM) so if not the red sox, yankees or jays who wins the al east? i also love how the red sox rotation is suspect. usually you say that when five mediocre players are apart of it. curt schilling and josh beckett are far from mediocre, wells and wake were both above average last year, and clement, arroyo, papelbon are more options. again though, answer my original question. Until either of them can prove me they are healthy, I have my doubts on those two. I like Beckett's chances more than Curt's. I'm leaning toward Curt's career being done at least from what I saw of him last year.

QUOTE(Beltin'Bill @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:42 PM) This just amazes me. How can anyone look at the Red Sox and make them the favorite? They have two majorly potent bats, but a very suspect pitching staff. They are a resilient team but their level of talent is on a steep decline. Yanks have to be favorites.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 11:43 AM) Edge and Champ way down the list. Its just hard to project High School players. I mean Courtney Brown was supposed to be a sure bet in the Pros, but never has reached his potential showing that even the jump from college to NFL is often hard to predict. Alot of good players are in the middle of the pack, Thomas Jones, Backus, even Plaxico. And Ron Dayne was 44 as a FB? Also Coles as rb lol. Goings was on that list too. Pretty crazy list. Tons of high draft picks and solid NFL players on there. Mike Brown was on it too. And than there was Katzenmoyer, what happened to that guy. He was a machine in college (didn't he eventually have some sort of career ending injury?)

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:19 PM) But their lineup isn't better than last year's like some people seem to think. I never said it was better than last years. I happen to think Edgar Renteria and Gullermo Mota for Coco Crisp (essentially that is the deal they made) is a freaking ridiculously horrid deal. Renteria didn't have a great year last year, but he's still one of the better shortstops in the game (both offensively and defensively). That said they cut payroll in that move (despite the fact they had to send cash to Atlanta). But the lineup is still one of the best, if not the best in the AL (and majors).

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 05:49 AM) He's a mediocre player who refused to learn how to play SS in Winterball, which would have kept him on the White Sox. So all he can play is 2B and he stinks in CF. Yeah, I'm so sad to see him go. ROFL, there's no way a lineup with Willie freaking Harris and Alex Cora or Alex Gonzalez being possible starters is "one of the better line-ups in baseball." Youkilis isn't a proven major league hitter yet and has no power at a power position. Are you Peter Gammons in disguise or something? Sure it is, cause it has Manny and Ortiz two of the 5 best run producers in the game (with Manny being the best of all time, imo). Plus Lowell, Trot Nixon and Coco Crisp. They got a solid lineup. If Lowell pans out it gets better.

Willie is a better player than most everyone on this board gives him credit for. Considering whats out there and what the BoSox have right now, this is a nice move. I don't think they've had a very solid off-season, but they've made some interesting moves that could pay off. Harris at just over 400K is a steal, imo. Give the guy consistent playing time down in the lineup and he'll put up pretty solid numbers, steal some bases, have a solid OBP, all while playing above average defense (he's lightyears better than Guch at 2nd; I'm speaking defensively).

QUOTE(thedoctor @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 08:30 AM) rumor out this way was circulating that the indians offered the reds jake westbrook for austin kearns. supposedly o'brien turned that down, but i wonder if it will be revisited now. I'd make that trade in a heartbeat If I were the Reds. Thats an awful move by the Tribe, imo. I've always liked Westbrook though. Good looking sinker.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 09:17 AM) I understand one can argue the potential of Andy Marte... but you can't seriously think G. Mota is a better player than Coco Crisp?!? Can You? Plus if Lowell plays like he did two years ago, they don't have to worry about 3rd. I think people tend to forget how good Lowell has been. Sure he stunk it up last year, but I wouldn't be shocked to see him put things back together.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:10 PM) Ha, ya, he was pretty solid last year but then I believe he left the team for a while due to family reasons(not exactly sure about the reason). He was pretty bad in 04 though irrc so we'll see how he does this year. I'll always remember his bling bling incident. But there was a time where he was one of the best, if not the best, lefty reliever in the game. If he duplicates last years numbers I can't fault Philly at all. They could use some help in the pen, especially when you consider they lost their best reliever (Wagner).

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 06:23 PM) i agree, if we made this move then people would be praising KW for the "low risk high reward" move that kenny loves to make. i like the move if i'm a cubs fan I concur. Miller has a good arm and this is a very low risk move.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 12:07 PM) 2 something era last year in about 47 innings. Geeze, that was pretty solid. My brain must be a goner cause I pretty much forgot he was on the Tribe.

Why did Philly make this deal? Rhodes is overpaid and he's not effective (hell did he even pitch much for the Tribe last year?)

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jan 24, 2006 -> 08:52 AM) Looks like Ron Artest is close to being traded. I'm hearing Artest for Peja. Good, my fantasy team needs a lift.

QUOTE(q\/\/3r+y @ Jan 23, 2006 -> 07:28 PM) Guess some don't realize the talent that is on this team. The bulls are easily one of the deepest teams in the league, and i also agree we need a superstar type player ( believe we have one in the making in deng). Actually i don't think he will ever be a super star but a type 20 player int he leaguye is not out of reach for a player of his caliber. If you guys do not feel they can win a championship by the 2008-2009 when do you? Five years... ten... twenty? This team has to play it's cards right like i said, otherwise we will continue to be a 6th-8th seed. I pretty much agree with you. I think Deng needs to develop (and he will; his shot has already improved greatly in one season), we have a strong bench, but we also need to find a legit center.