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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 08:12 PM) Confused about the hand-wringing here. Giolito/Robles is a great starting point and matches any other two prospect combination of the other teams. Turner is not necessary and not sure I'd want it anyway because it'd be pretty close to a 1-1 swap, I don't think any additional pieces would be that good if he were to be included (same with Bregman). Giolito/Robles is the best chance to get quality and quantity, we need both. That is probably the other question. Do the Sox prefer a package around Turner or one around a bigger plethora of talent, including Gio / Robles. My presumption would be, to some extent, they might actually like a package with more quantity. This of course presumes that the Nats are even willing to sell him. If the deal is more one for one, it is hard to imagine Turner, even if he amounted to all the hype, on his own, doing much to change the dynamic of our franchise (we'd just be swapping a star with a star, albeit positional vs. pitcher and one under control for a bit longer, but in the grand scheme, it doesn't do a ton to completely overhaul the franchise). Getting a ton of quality chips, some well above average, back, under a variety of trades, is what really puts the odds of you upgrading the overall quality of the team (while losing star power), but the eventual hope would be with all the extra quality, maybe a star or two develop, but even if it doesn't, you could potentially parlay some of your chips to fill the rest of the holes on a much more complete team (easier to fill one or two pieces then it is to fill 8 or 9 and right now the Sox have been in the spot where they have had to fill so many pieces to truly have a contender, despite having some of the better players at their respective positions in the game).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 07:58 PM) A large part of what you need from a Sale trade is a shot of quantity into a minor league system that has none. Once you establish the front line players, you need multiple other pieces to fill it in with. Nats clearly have a lot of quality pieces to go with a couple upper echelon guys. Whether it is enough for JR to sign off, who knows. I'm still a skeptic without Nats really stepping up. I still put a shot on us pulling Turner.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) Bowden doesn't know s***. Rosenthal reported earlier the Sox would get Giolito/Robles and "much more". 0 chance they trade Sale for just 3 prospects. Given direct quotes out of JR (which might also be for the sake of negotiating, but I think more so, truly how JR feels), he specifically said it would take multiple good pieces and had a pretty large number that he threw out regarding the term "multiple". If package is built around Robles / Giolito, we would be getting some other top 100 prospects plus low level flyers, imo (at least for JR to greenlight it).

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 06:57 PM) I'm liking what the team mouthpiece is selling of late. To me, once we move Sale, everything gets a lot more interesting, in the sense that who will be next to go vs. who will be part of a longer term strategy and what / how drastic will their plan be. NO one knows for sure what could go down this week and over the next month, but it is very interesting what is coming out of Merkin.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) The #Nats continue to aggressively pursue #WhiteSox Chris Sale, but informed the Sox they won't deal Trea Turner. Giolito/Robles in play https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/805966686222422016 Seems like a lot of negotiating to see whether Sox can either drive up secondary price (if Nats don't include Turner) or to see whether Sox can strong arm Turner to be included. Lots of jockeying going on right now. The next 24 hours will be interesting as these reports should up the ante on other teams and hopefully get us in a position where a deal is done (and an effective one) sometime tomorrow.

Interesting to say the least. I like Abreu and presume the market has undervalued him as a whole. Will be interesting to see what we could get. I say that in the perspective that I think the stat junkies underrate the value of his bat (i.e., I find him an underrated player via WAR).

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:18 AM) So what's new here? They've been talking about this for weeks now. Does it mean they are open to trading Q and Eaton now too? Talk means nothing. Action speaks louder then words. Right now, none of us know what is going on. We also aren't in the trade discussion and the Sox can't stay in-between. Who is to say they don't have a directive that we either move X and Y by the winter meetings or if the market doesn't look to fit a rebuild, we turn around and go for it again? I'm not saying there is fact in that, but I certainly wouldn't put it past the organization.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:24 AM) Yeah I like Deshaun Watson a lot but aside from that would be fine with the dline talent. Need a safety this year but fine if we use money to sign eric berry I'd be okay with anyone who we think is a game changer. It does not have to be a QB, although we certainly would need to take a QB early (or do something to address QB longer term). Would be fine with LT / dynamic pass rusher / elite corner.

I don't know if Rondo makes it the full year. Oh man, he was so freaking bad against Dallas. Like awful. Guy is a turnover machine. Don't know what is going on but terrible. Our bench sucks too by the way. Until I see some of our younger players develop under Hoiberg, I will continue to think Fred is a nice guy, but a lousy head coach. Really miss Doug and MCW, but Niko is a wreck, and Portis has done nothing but go backwards.

I would love Turner to be the headliner, but there is also a dynamic to getting everyone but Turner as well as the Nats have a very attractive bunch. Would love for Coop to work with Giolito. That said, would love to find a way to get a deal build around Turner, Robles, & Giolito. I will caveat it by saying Robles is the guy I would put the highest bust factor on, by far, so if they stayed away from him and went with others, I could live with that too. I think DA has brought up some valid points that would point out flaws in his actual performance. That said, lots of tools too. Seems like the kind of guy that the Sox would stay farther away from though, as they seem more focused on near ready / MLB ready type of talent (including potentially guys already in the majors).

Thought this post deserved its own thread. Not saying it needs to be mega, but pretty noteworthy as you combined this report with a different report from Olney, which mentioned the frontoffice is warming to the idea of moving Sale and it would appear that there are more and more people buying into the rebuild philosphy. That said, until some moves are made, none of us really know what exactly is going on.

Nats clearly have the talent. I'm getting interested to see what happens. Things are going to get hot real fast, imo.

Killing this thread to revitalize a seperate thread, more based upon sourced news.

Similar to the Garcia deal, this makes sense.

I keep watching our defense, thinking, we have the makings of a D that could be special. It does have some inherent flaws though, most notably the secondary. That said, I love the pass rush we are able to generate. You add a decent (not even good or above average) coverage unit, and I think we will see a Top 10 defense next year (in most all categories). Floyd is a menace. Offensively, I hope Barkley can keep building on what he's doing. He's legitimately looked good and should have had even better numbers if not for some drops. Takes a few weeks for the league to get enough intel to make adjustments, but watching his potential development has made the end of the season more interesting. Plus, I don't see any QB who is just so dynamic that I am concerned we'd miss out on them if we are picking 4 or 2. Doesn't make much of a difference to me. The QB's this year are all a total crapshoot. Would hurt more if you had a draft with a Winston or a Luck.

They dominated. Meredith dropped another TD pass too. Barkley played extremely well.

There was an article that indicated their might be some loopholes for a player like Otani. Also, world series home field advantage goes to team with the best record (tiebreaker is the strength of schedule).

Honestly, if we are going to be rebuilding, I see no reason why we would just non-tender Avi. $3M is nothing and while I don't peg him to break out, we currently have no better options to give at bats too and he does have talent (so while I think he has flaws that will impact his ability to get there, $3M is easily worth paying to have him on the roster as of this point in time). I more had problems putting him in a starting spot on a team that was intending to contend. And for those of you jumping off a ledge, give me a break. This move has zero negative barring on the long term impacts of the team (from a downside) and from an upside, the tools and talent are there (albeit the probability of him breaking through are limited, but we've seen it before...see Bautista or Encarnacion. By the way, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is either of those players and Encarnacion clearly had a better start to his career then Avi, but things happen.

Honestly, if we are going to be rebuilding, I see no reason why we would just non-tender Avi. $3M is nothing and while I don't peg him to break out, we currently have no better options to give at bats too and he does have talent (so while I think he has flaws that will impact his ability to get there, $3M is easily worth paying to have him on the roster as of this point in time). I more had problems putting him in a starting spot on a team that was intending to contend.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 2, 2016 -> 06:59 AM) It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Besides, he has 5 years of control. Those guys are not available. We have a thread. For the longest time, we all knew the White Sox needed a leadoff hitter, with a high on base, who could run. The Sox get that, and he comes with GG quality defense. Sign him to a team friendly extension, has 5 years of control....quick, get rid of him. It will work out perfectly. I tend to agree with you. Eaton is a hard guy to move unless you get an absolute haul. He should be a key piece of the long-term efforts to rebuild and while I am a proponent of moving prospects, moving a guy as good as Eaton, who should have his peak years ahead of them and is around that long, just doesn't make much sense unless you get totally blown away. That said, if you move Eaton, at least you are moving him at a time when his value should be high (coming off of a career year).

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 1, 2016 -> 08:26 AM) IT helps the Sox actually. They can sign free agents now and only lose a 3rd round pick for doing so in future years. They also have a $5 million cap on international spending. The Sox have been spending their entire bonus pools but they are often in the $3 million range. They never go over though. Now that nobody is allowed to go over, I would expect the White Sox to spend the entire $5 million annually on international amateurs. The qualifying pick doesn't really help the Sox because we aren't a team that will largely play in the big free agent market, so it helps the bigger spenders more then the lower spenders. Further, the fact that the compensation is paid based upon market size also hurts the Sox when you look at it from that perspective, because what we will give up vs. a team like the Royals/Indians will be more and akin to what the Dodgers / Yankees / Cubs would give up (again, not exactly fair given our revenue's, which are much more middle-market in size). I do agree that the international cap is a move that is beneficial for the Sox.

Another change in the new CBA is that the 15 day DL will now be a 10 day DL. I like it.

Didn't see it in here, but new CBA is going to get rid of the All Star game driving home field advantage.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 30, 2016 -> 07:57 PM) How does it screw Sox? We will likely be lumped into the large market players and thus, if it is based on market size, will get treated like the bigger spending clubs vs. the clubs we more or less fit in with from a revenue perspective.

I don't know if anyone has watched it on here (I don't even know what channel it is on...happened to stumble on it through prime), but the Night Manager was a fantastic six episode series. Again, absolutely fantastic.