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I think standing pat would be the worst course of action. I moves to buy, as long as they are long-term buys to fill holes necessary to give a better run at things in 2016 & 2017. I also support selling, if again, it puts us in a better position to contend (either giving us some new parts we can flip or parts we think are part of that core window that fill holes we can't fill from within). I've long been a proponent of buying & selling for this club.

Word out of LA is that Puig never asked anything about the trade and is denying this story in general. Basically, he was upset people thought he was concerned about being traded and talked to the front office. Yesterday on the radio, the local sportscasters were hilarious at how little they value Puig. They wanted to trade him for Craig Kimbrel or Aroldis Chapman.

Where is the big brother thread? If you create one, we'll mod it to make sure the right posts get their.

I really am not surprised that our position players rank that poorly. It is also why I have struggled to see how Sox management can't make moves to enhance the lineup and focus on getting new young talent (and not be worried about contending for the rest of the season). I also think being this bad (even though in some cases, I expect more reversion to the mean by the end of the year) is why we need to move some assets on the pitching side to try and change the position dynamic and that means dealing from our strength's (one of Q / Sale). When it comes to ratings, I'm about as big of a fan as I can get and to be frank, I can't stand to watch this team. I often find myself get so frustrated by their poor fundamentals that I just turn the game off.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 03:59 PM) Puig has been the more recognized and talked about player though. Due to him being in LA I get that. But the buzz is always around him. Puig is so much more electric then Abreu (from marekting perspective). Puig isn't just exciting at the plate (like Abreu), he is exciting in the field (both good and bad) and on the basepaths. Puig is one of those rare guys you stop and watch because of what he can do on the field (again, both good and bad).

What about Sale & Shark to the Dodgers. We know the Dodgers are looking for 2 pitchers and they want at least one of them to be cost-controlled. We have talked Q & Shark, but what about Sale & Shark. Could you get Puig / Urias / Seager / Joc? I highly doubt it as the Dodgers would be pulling 2 guys from their actual lineup (and not sure how they would fill those offensive holes).

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) Same here. I would be looking for Seager, Holmes and Barnes. If that is what we got for Shark & Q, I'd throw up. If we are trading both, we should be getting at least 2 of Puig / Segaer / Urias. In fact, give my view on Puig, I am not making that deal without Puig + Seager (because I prefer Seager to Urias given our needs...that said, I think Urias could be even better then Seager).

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) If that were to truly happen, I'd expect Seager back. I absolutely think if the two are involved, you are looking at getting Puig + Seager. I suppose the Sox could look for Urias + Seager as the primary package, I'd just prefer Puig cause you have a more known commodity with major upside. I'd push hard for Puig / Seager / Barnes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:53 AM) Doesn't appear it hurt either: “As far as affecting me playing, it doesn’t,” Gillaspie said. “It did a little bit when I first got here, but it’s gone away. Credit to Herm for working hard with me every day on that. “It was pretty sore this winter. I had some problems with it this winter. But it’s really not a big issue now. It could flare up, but we’ve got it pretty well under control.” To your point, if it was enough to effect his overall production and long-term value, the sox would have DL'd him vs. got rid of him. While it might have been a slight impact, it wasn't why he stunk defensively and I presume it isn't why over the past year, his OPS has tracked just above .600. I do think Conor has a nice swing and could be an effective bench player in the NL (as his swing looks lower maintenance...no idea if it actually is). Surprised he stuck to the AL. All that said, Conor's value is minimized by his inability to play multiple positions (so if I were him, I'd start working on my versatility).

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) I'd be all over a Puig/Pederson, Urias, Seager and another top prospect for Sale move. I still say, if I were able to get those 3 (given Puig's / Pederson's current production), I'd make the move. I'd clearly ask for Barnes but I'd do it for those 3. I wouldn't be happy I was in that position but I think the talent would be worth it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:40 AM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 16m16 minutes ago Melky Cabrera has four multi-homer games: one with the Yankees, Royals, Blue Jays and White Sox He is the only active player to accomplish such a feat (four different teams) per Elias Melky is starting to hit for power. His BAPIP is still below his historical averages and he's been on a run. It would seem that Melky is coming along, as we could have expected.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:36 AM) I feel like there's been another time or two where King randomly brought up some baseball trade rumors. He could have been commissioner if he wanted to (supposedly). Guy loves baseball and I'm sure has a lot of connections (especially in LA). I wouldn't take this as typical "fan" speak. This is in between fan speak and media speak. Hell, it might be better then media speak.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) Dodger fan on Twitter: "Sources telling me Urias for Sale straight up is close" Bahaha.

http://www.chicagonow.com/soxnet/2015/07/w...-to-the-angels/ Glad Conor gets his chance elsewhere. I would have thought he'd have been a better fit in the NL. His defense just didn't work given our issues (and it doesn't help that his bat has fallen off considerably).

Makes sense. Wish Gillespie the best of luck.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) There's a big flaw in this response using WAR when the specific question asked focused on the value for a single playoff game. Yes, Samardzija had a better WAR last year and it's comparable this year...but that's because Samardzija is pitching more innings, which shouldn't be surprising when the other guy missed time. Especially since anyone who gets in trouble in a playoff game gets pulled early, innings isn't what I'm looking for if a guy is healthy. If you actually look at the raw performance stats, Kazmir is clearly outpitching Samardzija right now and that's even if you be nice and pretend Samardzija's April didn't happen. Given their health track records, or anything weighted by innings, Samardzija looks better, but if they're both healthy and you're asking which pitcher you'd take, Kazmir is a better pitcher right now. Will he be that way in September? I don't know, Samardzija has a longer track record, but through the 2015 season Kazmir has been the better pitcher. I said that Kazmir has pitched better but I think it would be extremely ignorant to ignore innings pitched. A pitcher who can't go deep into games is typically viewed a lot less then a pitcher who can go deep into games and who also has been historically more reliable to get the rock every 5th day. Kazmir's post-season history is pretty out-dated but he has a sustained history of getting rocked in the post-season and in his career, he's proven that he isn't near as durable and he certainly isn't as likely to go deep into games. I think the IP matters and it is why I'd still say Shark is slightly better. Over 5 innings, Kazmir is better, but most teams prefer guys that go deeper and Shark is the more prototypical guy and again, that has value. If I were trading for a player or wanting one guy to make a post-season start (Shark / Kazmir), I'd prefer Shark (presuming opposition was equally good / bad vs. LHP / RHP).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) Immediate reaction is surprise at Rodon being so low. Second reaction is that Robertson is too high. Would be way too high but not a lot of value below him. Well done overall. Personally I still think in this offensive starved era, Abreu is more valuable then Rodon. Clearly I can't argue Rodon over the two other pitchers (so I presume you think he might be more valuable then Abreu, but I still value production and Abreu's had it and I think when healthy he's closer to last year's Abreu then this year's). When it comes to Robertson, who else on that list is worth more. He's pitching at a value commensurable with his contract and is a proven closer. I presume the Sox aren't even interested in trading for him and only select teams would be interested (and they'd have to be large market teams). I suppose if the right team valued Putnam, you could see Putnam go for similar trade value (due to his favorable contract). It is why I have a hard time just dealing Putnam or Petricka. Unless a team is going to give us some legitimate talent, then why flip them. They aren't too expensive and if they become bigger household names, you could arguably get much more for them. I see more downside then upside, unless a team was going to give us a borderline top 100 guy or some raw talent that we saw greater upside in. I think the player who might be most underrated is Eaton. That said, it doesn't take too many names until you get to guys who really have no value if moved (imo).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) Oohhh...Robertson + Samardzija for Hoffman I really like... If we could get Max, I would be on board with that. That would all be dependent on Robertson being okay with that. I would not want to taint my reputation in the league (in terms of signing FA).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 09:44 AM) to me, I think they're pretty close to equal. Neither has playoff experience, Kazmir's been better than Samardzija this year but Samardzija has a longer record of success, and Kaz has the benefit of being a lefty. If I 100% know they're both healthy, which one I'd pick depends on the lineup I'm facing. That righty-dominated Cubs lineup from the late 2000s I take the righty, a lineup with a key lefty I need to get out I'll take the lefty. Kazmir has pitched in 8 postseason games (7 starts) and has a 5.2 ERA (WHIP was 1.7+). Shark has 1 posteason apperance (w/Cubs) and it was 1 inning where he gave up a run (ERA of 9). Last year + this year (being fair to Kazmir who has been rejuvenated), Shark has a WAR of 5.6 vs. Kazmir of 4.7. Shark's WAR is 19% better then Kazmir's in that run. In 2013, Shark / Kazmir has comparable season's in terms of WAR, although Kazmir was better when he did pitch that year. Reputation wise though, Shark is much more highly thought of and you can even look at last year and what analysts were saying. It was Shark who was the A's #2 (not Kazmir). Shark just looks the part more so then Kaz. That said, Kaz has been better then Shark this year (however has thrown a hell of a lot less innings; Shark pitches more per start, which is valuable). So I guess you could say beauty is in the eye of the beholder on this one.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 09:22 AM) Considering Levine's crap knowledge of our own prospects, I do not put much stock into his theories of returns from others. I highly doubt the Royals would offer up Ventura for Shark, but you never know. I am sure they want to win.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) Larry King ‏@kingsthings 7m7 minutes ago Don't be surprised if the @dodgers and @whitesox make a trade before the deadline, July 31st. Larry King weighing in lmao. Im sorry, but I think this is hilarious. Larry King could probably have gotten voted in as commissioner at some point in his life.

Ventura is signed to what should be a pretty team friendly contract (presuming he's more like the guy from last year and less like the guy from this season). Presuming his stuff checks out, I would absolutely be okay with that sort of return for Shark. I also have tons of confidence in Coop. He also would free up our ability to move Q for some prospects, without necessarily weakening our pitching stable as much. Sox could essentially have him under control until 2021 (at total of $44M) and 2 of those years (and $24M) of that are option years in 2020 & 2021. On a sidenote, depending on how much you buy into FIP, his FIP this year (a year in which his ERA is over 5) is still 3.69. His K/9 is about same as last year, H/9 is up a bit while his BB/9 is down slightly.

Maybe from their you see if you can flip Robertson or Putnam to the Blue Jays, who are looking for relief help. I'd like to get Hoffman, but don't think you get Hoffman for either of them.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 08:40 AM) If this scenario happened, they'd need to sign Shark in the offseason. Rodon can't be your #2 next year and Puig + Seager sets them up to try and make a run hopefully. You'd also have to hope that EJ is finally ready and that Fulmer would be ready quickly. But I would do Q and Shark for Puig/Seager/Barnes. That's just about the only scenario where I'd be cool with giving up Q. I'd also like to get a shot at Guerrero, but I'd caveat it by saying he'd have to agree to a revised contract so that we could have control of him for a couple of years.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 08:40 AM) If this scenario happened, they'd need to sign Shark in the offseason. Rodon can't be your #2 next year and Puig + Seager sets them up to try and make a run hopefully. You'd also have to hope that EJ is finally ready and that Fulmer would be ready quickly. But I would do Q and Shark for Puig/Seager/Barnes. That's just about the only scenario where I'd be cool with giving up Q. Or Buehrle or trade for Shields.