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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 5, 2011 -> 04:41 PM) Just saw Cully Payne is leaving Iowa, how much worse can they get? They actually should get better. They return the 2nd leading freshman scorer and have an improving team. I've been bashing my Hawkeyes for a few years but I think they actually surprise a bit next year. Still a ways to go, but Payne is a loss. I was hoping having him, Cartwright, and Marble in the backcourt would have been pretty solid combined with Gattens, Basabe (whom I like a lot). I'm buying into Coach Fran!!!

Lets just not turn Sox park into the drunk fest known as Dodger stadium, where in the past 2 years a Giant fan has both been murdered and put into a coma. Note: I was referring to the new bar, not necessarily the stadium. Didn't realize what thread I was in, haha.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 5, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) Thanks NorthSide. Have fun T!!!!

Get better Dunn and guys, this isn't something to panic about. We are 4 games into the season.

Congrats Evan!

I was surprised today's game wasn't blacked out due to the Fox rule.

Pretty excited. Too bad Its a hectic day at work, otherwise I would have taken a half day.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) Williams is infamous for his recruiting misses. McD AA to Maryland have been few and far between since they won the title. Brain fart, I was primarily referencing to Roy Williams.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 02:01 PM) Those 4th and 5th years are the important parts though, the part of his career where he's winning the conference with his own recruits. We don't know how capable he is of building a program because he has so little experience as a head coach so far. Anthony Grant already did a lot of the heavy lifting at VCU by going 76-25 before he left for Alabama. He also recruited the five best players on this current VCU squad and Larry Sanders, who left after last season (Shaka's first) for the pros. He just hasn't built much of a resume, you don't know if he's Todd Licklitter or Thad Matta yet. That former one is the comparison that would worry me. Following a brief stopover from Matta, Lick went 53-12 his first two years with a Sweet 16 appearance. Butler went 49-43 his next three years before he had another solid season (29-7, Sweet 16 appearance) and bolted for Iowa. He didn't last long there. Then again, it could make a ton of sense for Missouri as their roster is loaded with returning talent. A coach that can maximize that right now and reap the benefits of a strong season on the recruiting trail could set them up nicely. I'm not sure who that coach is though, these candidates don't exactly thrill me. If I were the AD at a middle to upper tier power conference school, I wouldn't go near him right now because his cost will out-pace his resume by a fair margin. For the salary he'll likely get, I'd want another two years of solid performances in a lower conference. Agreed.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) A ton of recruiting is about coaches and how they relate with the players. Maybe the top 20 kids in the country want to know how you will get me from freshman to NBA in one year, but the four-star recruits can easily be swayed by a young, energetic and charismatic coach. Josh Pastnor at Memphis isn't Coach K, Self, etc., but he is young, relentless and affable. He has gotten studs for Memphis the last two years. It will be very similar for Shaka once he gets at a good power conference school. And he had proven he was a legitimate recruiter prior to becoming the head coach. He built connections and had already earned the reputation to sell/recruit under Callipari. And it is all about who guys know. You have connections with different AAU coaches, you have pipelines, and you use them. There are a few golden recruiters that can go anywhere and recruit, but by and large, it is very much about having your contacts, your connections, and your pipelines and turning talent through those areas. The being a pure seller, which some of you are saying Shaka is, and I don't know if he is or isn't, is going to be tough because your going to be trying to out sell the greats. And I don't buy into Williams not being a good recruiter, his programs constantly recruit. Maybe it isn't directly because of him being the pitch-man and he has assistants that do it, but the guy routinely is pulling some of the top recruits in the country.

When you do it multiple timese (e.g., multiple tourney appearances). And no, I'm not saying he needs to get his team back to the final 4. And I think the ease of recruiting and what goes on in the recruiting process isn't near what some of you think. He's going to go in and recruit with some major players on these guys. Who are you going to listen to: Shaka or a Coach K, a Roy/Gary Williams, Self, even a Painter or Weber, who have all proven a lot more and won a lot more in there tenure and in a major conference.

Thanks for the memories Jermaine. Class act in my mind and those few years with the Sox were fantastic!!!

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 11:16 AM) He been a head coach for two damn years. Way to early to proclaim he will fail. But on the flip side, way too early to say he is the next best thing. Two years of head coaching experience at a little school is all the reason I need to think he'll fail in a major conference. Recruiting is different in a power conference as is coaching. He'll get eaten alive and be yet another failure in the history of coaches that make one strong tourney run and parlay it into a head coaching job. I'm not saying years down the road he doesn't succeed somewhere, but at this piont in time, asking him to lead your power conference school is a mistake, unless you can't get a quality, more proven mid-major coach at a minimum.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 11:12 AM) I wouldn't go that far. He's most likely overrated at this point but the guy can clearly coach and his players seem to love him. Obviously, the most important thing for a mid major coach is to find out if he can recruit at a higher level and I don't think Shaka is going to have a hard time doing that. Its going to be a lot harder. He's going to be going against athletic, top notch basketball teams all the time and without having a strong recruiting pipeline, etc, he's going to have a hell of a time at Mizzu, imo. It happens a lot with these mid-major guys. I'm not saying Shacka isn't necessarily a good coach, but at this point, with his experience, I think he's going to end up a failure at a major program. A few years down the road that might change. I also wouldn't blame him if he did leave though, this is his one shot to be the next hot commodity and to make good money out of it and if he fails he'll still end up with a mid-major job somewhere, probably one that is still a step-up from VCU.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Mar 31, 2011 -> 11:11 AM) I wouldn't say he is going to be a colossal failure, but nor do I think he is gonna be a Coach K. Bottom line is that his team got really hot at the right time. He is an expert at motivating and seems to be a solid Xs and Os coach. He probably won't have a stadium named after him, but he should be a perennial NCAA coach who gets to many Sweet 16s. Look, I don't buy into the hype of one tourney run, especially when his team has just gotten incredibly hot and played out of there ass for a short run. THey also didn't play many good teams, until they finally beat Kansas. And no, Purdue wasn't great. I'm just saying, some people are going to think he's the next great thing, but more than likely, he'll fail miserably and not be able to recruit top talent in a major conference and end up fired a few years down the road and go back to being a mid-major guy. Brad Stevens on the other hand, I buy into. That is a really well coached team and it takes more than just luck to make back to back final 4's. X's and O's that squad is just on par. Long story short, Stevens is legit, Shacka is not.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 08:10 PM) Ha. Hey at least I realized early on this year that the team was going to be a disappointment. If we land Shaka Smart I'm happy Painter stayed. That guy is going to be a collosal failure.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 30, 2011 -> 08:22 AM) I remember watching CNN's bottom line go through endless NCAAB scores to get to the NHL scores, and it always going to commercial right before NHL, I'd have to wait 30 minutes to find out if the Hawks won. There was no other option... that was like 1996! What did you used to do before the Internet became widely available that has completely changed for you since then? For me it was headline news. They seemed to be the first to do that.

Painter is staying at Purdue.

Directtv's responsiveness has gotten signficantly better. It used to be horrilbe but it is significantly faster than before. In general, I really like my Direct DVR. Been the best DVR I've had. Comcast is horrific though.

I think this thread has went its course.

He looked awful good yesterday.

Cut the s*** talking gents.

I'm more optimistic today than I was a month ago about Peavy. Some of you are seriously over-reacting to some tendinitis that was highly expected. Guy is still ahead of schedule and we know that he's got velocity and stuff back (based upon some spring outings). By June 15th he'll be rolling, and he'll be on the mound in Chicago no later than May 15th.

Fullerton took down #6 ASU last night!

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 23, 2011 -> 12:56 PM) The amount of street hockey, baseball, kickback, hotdog in gastank we played was insane. I can't imagine not being outside from about 10am until 9pm everyday in the summer between the ages of like 5 and 15. Same with me. We did nothing but play outside. Video games only got played when it was pretty late out and the parents had us come inside.