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QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 08:48 AM) ahh, yes, we should wait for the courts to play this out, it only took the people affected by exxon mobile 20 years to get their pay. We should all make sure everyone get's f***ed over except BP. They are an amazing company because they are awesome and big and everyone is wrong except them, they should not be forced to do anything, they are competent, except to clean up the spill, the gov't should do that, the gov't should pay for it, WHY IS THE GOV'T MAKING BP PAY FOR IT..... WHY IS BP STILL CLEANING UP THEIR OWN MESS WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY The fact of the matter is a spill like this is bigger than BP. There is not perfect protocal or magical method to fix it. It is why you needed a bigger party involved ensuring that as many and every resource out there is handled, including the assistance of government resources. That thing is our government, who while they don't have the expertise, has the power to reach out and get other oil companies resources involved, other countries resources (boats, etc) involved and of course the finest engineers/researchers/etc involved. BP has done a lot wrong, but lets not act as if they are intentionally failing to clean this thing up. This is a really delicate situation that needs a s***load of attention and unfortunately is heavily a trial & error process.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 08:25 AM) No no no, we can rely on BP to do the honest and ethical thing. Their track record proves it. Technically, BP could have sat back, told the US gov to f*** off, and went to court. They didn't have to put down 20B of there own money in this mess. Sure they f***ed up and acted negligently and ignored warnings signs but just because something happened at one location in the entire world, doesn't necessarily mean BP is a crappy company and that upper management is full of dumbasses, etc. BP is a good, incredibly successful company that made a mistake.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 06:06 PM) Here's the problem and where the logic of many conservatives breaks down: Bailing out banks a banks mess to protect the economy from diving into a deep depression is bad because government should get involved. Bailing out an oil companies mess because it is polluting water and ruining an ecosystem is a a great idea and a role of the government. As a major conservative, I don't think it was bad to bail out the banks and I don't think it is bad to assist an oil company. The US government is responsible for this as well. For example, lets say I'm GM and I outsource something to another manufacturer to produce product X. Product X than takes an absolute s***, GM doesn't just sit back and let the outsoruced company deal with it, they act. The US government didn't do that. They sat back and watched for a long while and quite frankly, since we owned the resources and were basically just contracting BP to do the mining of our oil, I'd say that we should have been involved and privy to everything.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 04:32 PM) No, because he actually responded. It took your hero 50+ days to get even semi serious... and that took "negotiations" to take over BP. Bush also wasn't afraid to act and help get past that stupid law related to union rights that prevented foreign employees/resources to be assisting us in coastal activities during New Orleans. Obama didn't and because of it, we could have been doing what we are doing now about 40 days ago.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 09:04 AM) A lot of it is what Jason said. You had a LOT more Jamie Moyer type guys that threw 70-83 mph and didn't max out their arms on every pitch like a Bobby Jenks or Eric Gagne. Then the conditioning was also a lot different. There were no pitch counts or 5 days rest and so your arm got conditioned to throwing more often and for longer duration. The Rangers, led by Nolan Ryan, are trying to make a transition to abandoning the obsession with pitch counts. The problem is, the Rangers method is kind of stupid, since the development would have to start at a far younger age to ensure guys muscles are ready to handle it all. Might work a little easier with the high school guys, but college players have to go through quite the transformation and obviously at the very least it needs to be started from the low-minors onward. I think removing guys because of the sake of a pitch count is dumb, you have to watch for things like stress innings, mechanics, etc, but you also have to do what you can to ensure your guys aren't beat up. The reality is these guys make a lot more money than they did in the past so you are benefited by doing what you can to try to reduce the chances of an injury. In the old days, they didn't make tens of millions of dollars so if a guy got hurt, a team didn't have to worry about all of the money it had sank away and how it had ruined there budget.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 07:59 AM) And Iguchi? A common belief has always been that Japanese players age much worse than others due to the insane practices they have over there as well as pitchers throwing 200 pitches or so in games. Well Iguchi wasn't exactly a star in Japan so he was a mediocre player that had a couple solid seasons but quite frankly wasn't all that great/dominant to begin with. Iguchi was one of those guys, and there are many of them, who had a few solid seasons. His only real bad season was 2008.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 08:32 AM) Question is...are they cutting a major deal to buy? I doubt it. The team is capped up financially and has been far too inconsistent for Kenny to be willing to sell minor league talent for major leaguers. I could see him buying on a young player that he thought fit long-term, but even than I doubt it will happen because the Sox flat out can't afford to give up what little upper level talent they have (Viciedo, Flowers, Danks, Morel, and Huddy). And of that talent, it is Viciedo/Huddy/Morel I am most confident in. I still like Danks more than most and think he needs more time. He's a plus defensive player and hits the ball hard and has made some adjustments to his swing that haven't quite clicked. Flowers is a guy I probably will never love, but he has a shot to be a nice OPS type of player at a premium position.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 08:52 AM) My theory is guys made a heck of a lot less money and didnt have the long term contracts so they knew that they had to pitch or get lost. The owners controlled so much before free agency so guys had to tough it out. Plus the DL rules were a lot less flexible back then. I think it is also a bit of a misconcieved notion that pitchers didn't get hurt in the past. I believe a lot of them got hurt but its hard to remember it because those that did never made it back. I have no statistics to back it up, but I remember hearing that from a few old time players. Now there were clearly guys with rubber arms, but injuries still happened back in the days. I also think hitters are in general better now and pitchers in general throw harder now than ever before. So because hitters are better, you see pitchers have to throw far more high stress pitches and with pitchers throwing faster and being stronger, the ligaments and muscles are more likely to pop-etc. These are all complete, factless theories I personally have. I'm not a doctor and I haven't done a lick of actual statistical research on the # of injuries that happened in the old days vs now. But in the past, if you got hurt, you gutted it out until you couldn't do it anymore because there wasn't a procedure that could fix you magically. Now, you don't keep gutting it out, you undergo surgery because after surgery you have a pretty good shot at a full recovery.

Kalapse has been hard at work on what will be the next badass banner of Soxtalk

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 06:54 AM) Though Notre Dame is stronger in basketball, and is worlds better academically. Not that any seems to give a s*** about the academics in all this. I don't get it. Notre Dame's academic standards really aren't that amazing. I might offend some ND grads here, but they are the midwest version of USC. It is an expensive school but much easier to get into than some of the good and even decent public institutions. And there MBA program in terms of the grades/etc you need to get in is a joke.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 05:22 PM) Spain losing today doesn't help their reputation as WC underachievers... I don't see Mexico beating France, I predict a 2-1 French win but I would love to be proven wrong. France can't score 2 goals. They will be lucky to get one and they will go down. France ain't advancing.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 04:33 PM) What makes Ichiro amazing is that he avoided the absolute burn out that so many Japanese players have in the majors. Guys like Shingo, Iguchi, that Mariners closer, etc. have all faded so fast, just like Iwamura has. Shingo faded because he was old. And the Mariners closer also faded because he was old.

White Sox aren't cutting a major deal to sell right now.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 06:53 PM) Peavy's MRI came back clean and the ailment is now being described as an "achy shoulder". His next start -- which was supposed to be tomorrow -- WILL be pushed back to either Friday or Saturday in Washington. Probably more to do with his body not used to be pitching in a full season given that he missed a hefty chunk of last season.

He did a great job in Birmingham.

This could be good or could be bad. Part of me would like to know there was a reason for his strugglse, but the other part of me thinks he's been much better than his numbers indicated, was rusty, and is getting better and it would suck that he'd be hurt. I'm going to say I hope it is nothing. I got a lot of faith in Peavy turning his s*** around, assuming he's healthy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 10:47 AM) No one watches MLB Network....it's been a huge bust in the ratings. No one will care about this show, so a "scripted" fight between KW and Ozzie makes no sense. Did anyone even watch the show last year about the Phillies bullpen? They didn't suggest that Chan Ho Park sleep with Scott Eyre's wife or anything like that. Well I love the show.

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 06:31 PM) Beebe's dumbass said that the Big 12 won't be expanding teams. Basically we have a group of teams that doesn't want to be together, has no TV contract set in stone, and only has one teams interest at heart. There's no chance this conference will be around past 2 years. The ONLY reason the league was saved is because UT got everything they wanted. If the Pac 10 offers Texas Tech or the Big 10 offers Mizzou, it's over. Why doesn't OU have more power? Why does Texas control all. It isn't like they are some small school. They have an exceptional football program (oen of the best in college football history) and recently a pretty strong basketball program.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 06:32 PM) You and Jas are just off your rockers on this. Seriously. You've seen me post here that ObamaCo is pretty much as bad as BushCo was on Katrina... but criminally negligent? The President? Just as responsible? Not enough LOL'ers in the world for that. BP was indeed criminally negligent, as we have clearly seen. What ObamaCo has been, much like BushCo after Katrina, is managerially and administratively inept in the extreme. That, I don't see how anyone could argue. When did I say they were criminally negligent? They f***ed up majorly.

Who did you use to be?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2010 -> 04:17 PM) Mine's $16,000/year, and that's because I'm in a large group plan, not in the individual market. f***, thats expensive. Mine is 960 a year and once I switch over and add my wife to the plan it will go to 1400 a year. Holy s***, I never knew insurance could cost that much when you get your benefits through a company/government entity. I know my parents pay a crapload since they are self-employed and don't really get the benefit of group plans and because of there age and no group plans they get ass-raped. s***, Balta, that is just ridiculous. That freaking sucks.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) Greg Walker should still be out of a job. Agreed. Regardless of what he preaches (and I think he's a good hitting coach), the results haven't been there and no matter how good you are, eventually you need results. Since it is easier to switch coaches than players, the coach should have gone a long-time ago.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:07 PM) Steve Kerr leaving the Suns. Sarver certainly is quite the tight-arse owner. I'm sure Kerr will get another GM job if he wants it. He'll probably replace Doug Collins on TNT though for next season. Also probably improves the chances of Amare leaving I'd say. Kerr didn't want to take a pay cut in his newest extension and when the Analyst job opened up he doesn't he'd go back into that. He'll be back into the booth for at least next season.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:27 PM) Rumor is Tom Izzo is staying with Michigan State, FWIW. Now will Cleveland hiring Byron Scott over Izzo help or hurt the Bulls chances. Sam Smith thinks it hurts the Bulls chances because of the way Scott treats his star players. I have inside info on Scott which is why I constantly bash him. The guy is a POS of a head coach, imo. Just doesn't possess the communication ability to be an elite head coach. And as a coach he ain't all that great either.

QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) Well, if it makes you feel any better, 2B Rahmatulla broke his wrist celebrating the victory. It doesn't. I root for Socal teams to kick ass. Bummed out about Fullerton. But I'm proud that my program consistently dominates to the effect that I expect greatness each and every season. We'll be contending again next year, I'm sure of it. But this really was our best team since our National Champ team.