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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 04:16 PM) Gilmore follows Ryan Sweeney to make him our second recent Iowan, both second round draft picks. So I guess we'll see Santos starting and Gilmore playing in the SAL together. Should be fun to follow their progress and have a reason to be curious about the minor league boxes again with real interest. KW said Rodriguez's fastball was in the 95-96 MPH range recently, Baseball America had him topping out around 93. Big difference, if it's actually legit. And with his frame, he is projectable to get bigger and stronger and maybe add some more MPH, although he already is age 21. Also curious that KW mentioned beefing up Dominican training camps/scouting but nothing about Venezuela at all. Gilmore was a supplemental 1st round pick.

QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 11:43 AM) Ok that's about what I thought. So if the Orioles at #5 sign Cabrera, do we get two picks tacked on at the end of the first round? Two sandwich picks? I think the Dodgers at #17 need a shortstop... come on guys, pick up the phone, bring OC to the OC. If the Dodgers lose out on Furcal, they will sign OC. You can book that.

I should read the thread. He was traded. I thought this was a new thread and I was kind of curious since we now have Lillbridge, Nix, and Betemeit.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 02:02 PM) How much do you guys think is to much to give up. Say one of the trio of Towers, Depodesta, and Alderson called the Sox up, and said you could get Greene and Morton for Anderson, Broadway, Allen and Shelby would you do it? That would be highway robbery. and one of the worse trades in franchise history (potentially). Allen and Shelby are both top 10 prospects (Shelby with a ton of upside) and it would be assinine to move those guys and not get a potential impact player in return (I'm not saying those two alone get you an impact player but I'm not moving them for a guy coming off his worse season in his career and a potential back-up catcher).

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 5, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) He had OPS's away from PETCO above .800 in both 06 and 07, but he was just absolutely terrible in 2008. Still he could be a decent buy low candidate depending on the price. I'd probably rather give us less for him than say to acquire a J.J Hardy for instance. I'd deal him for Broadway or McCulloch or even Betemeit, but nothing else. He's a nice piece and a guy that has had one bad season (last year) but I wouldn't pencil him in for anything necessarily. I also wouldn't be shocked to see him go elsewhere and have a couple above average offensive years (as a solid 6 hitter or so).

I can't say I like what Kenny is saying, with the exception of the Flowers/Lillibridge part. Otherwise nothing said that gets me excited, going to just have to hope its a smokescreen due to what happened last year at the winter meetings where he got bit in the butt.

QUOTE (scenario @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 10:26 AM) Later in his conversation with Holmes/Hampton, he said he thought the likelihood of a Dye-Jenks deal with the Mets was not high. In fact, he questioned where the rumor even came from. Then he introduced a rumor of his own... said he wouldn't be surprised to see the Sox talking to St. Louis... offering minor league pitching prospects for Colby Rasmus. I don't think the Sox have the minor league pitching prospects out there to obtain Rasmus. Plus teams rarely do prospect for prospect deals, although the Sox have done some in the past (Carter for Quentin.....McCarthy for Danks). Still, the Cards love Rasmus so the only way he's coming here is in a deal involving one of our better players or two.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 09:53 AM) Rivera is a FA now, is he not? Yep. I wouldn't have a problem with the Sox picking up Rivera now. He could start in CF or slide over to one of the corner outfield spots or just be one hell of a 4th outfielder depending on what goes down with Dye and whether Ramirez gets moved to the OF.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 09:45 AM) Because of his 2006 season. Click on link. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4956 When he's been healthy, Rivera has been a VERY productive player. And let's face it, KW signs players like this before he goes out to spend money on a Dunn, Ibanez, Burrell or Abreu. That's just not Kenny Williams. Signing Rivera is, because he would sign for only two years and he would be a very affordable option. Who would our internal candidates be for LF, if we traded Dye? Fields or Viciedo? We don't have anyone but Owens and Wise that could play at the big league level. I don't care where Borbon is ranked...that doesn't matter to me. If it did, Iowa football would never win a single game based on their recruiting, except for possibly Northwestern on occasion. Quentin wasn't even going to make the team, and Alexei Ramirez was a combination of Ramon Santiago/Mario Mendoza and Miguel Cairo. Poreda is only REALLY valuable if he's going to be a starter. Adam Russell was also one of our top prospects and he's worth basically nothing now. Of course, Poreda is left-handed and throws a tick slower than Thornton, but there's a very mixed sentiment about his abilities as a starter. As I said, don't make the trade if you feel he can develop a 3rd pitch that's at least something that can be used 10-15% of the time to keep hitters off your fastball. Rivera can also play all 3 outfield positions well and has a cannon for an arm. I've seen a lot of Rivera over the years and I know damn well that if he's healthy, he's a productive outfielder and would be a very nice value pickup. The Angels are planning on bringing him back though, but I think he'd welcome the opportunity from another team since the Angels have so many outfielders.

Damn, Iowa almost picked up the win.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 09:37 AM) If I'm giving up Jenks and Poreda, I want Carlos Beltran not this Borbon prospect (who I've never even heard of until now). Agreed. Poreda for Borbon would be a deal the Rangers would consider making. Why in god sakes would you also include Jenks. Thanks but no thanks.

Casey Blake is an above average 3rd baseman who would be a pretty good addition. He's not a star, but he's a pretty damn good 6 hitter who provides a nice veteran prescence.

Konerko clearly showed at the end of last season that his lack of production was due to injury. The only way I would deal him is if you are getting good value for him and if we did deal him, I'd immediately sign Adam Dunn.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 08:29 AM) Up until a few hours ago, I thought the Sox were looking hard at Furcal and Hudson. However, after reviewing these recent moves, we have so much "depth" with regards to middle infielders that it wouldn't make sense to sign one of these guys. Unless a team like the Orioles wants one of these guys in a trade for Roberts (obvioulsy in addition to other guys). Or if they will swing one of the 2B prospects and Broadway for Taveras, which than re-opens the odds of going after Furcal or Hudson.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 07:46 AM) You really think a bat is what they are after when there are two glaring holes in the rotation? One of those holes will be filled. I think they need to get a pitcher and Cfer as things stand right now. If you move Dye, than you need to get a pitcher, Cfer and another bat. That CF better fill the top of the order too. At that point I can live with giving Getz/Lillbridge/Nix the shot at 2B, Ramirez SS, and Fields/Viciedo/Betemeit 3B.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 06:34 AM) He mentioned a deal for Hudson wouldn't surprise him I can't fathom why we'd want to block Beckham for a few years.. Beckham could also play 3B with Viciedo in RF. Beckham could play SS with Ramirez sliding to CF. Or Hudson could move to CF. If the value is there and Hudson doesn't get as much as expected I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with the move. However, if they do make that acquisition, I believe the Sox should look long and hard at moving Lillibridge or Betemeit. I expect the clubs priority to be a starting pitcher and CF and leadoff hitter. Plus they will move Dye I believe (potentially to get one of the parts to the left) and at that point you might see them pick up one of the FA bats (Abreu, Dunn, etc).

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 09:32 PM) Uh-oh Even Flowers is questioning his long term position at C. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...,0,628845.story I think he just knows that he pretty much has two spots, catcher and DH. In the NL he only had one spot which means if he was stuck behind a good catcher he might just not be able to get the opportunity (such as in Atlanta, where he was stuck behind McCann). Now not only could he come up as a catcher, but if the club already had a top notch catcher, he could make an impact as a DH.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) Good info SEAL... One great thing I hear? THe kid will do whatever it takes to get to the show. The bad? We're already talking DH...for a prospect? I want people who can prevent the other people from scoring runs as well. It's all good, I like the deal...I am not crying for joy, but am far from upset with this deal. It's very obvious only Lillebridge has a shot at coming to Chicago for next season and he is the guy I am very happy about getting...a great acqusition and he's going to win a lot of people over, a typical KW move...grab a talented player kinda out of favor with current club. We got Quentin, Thornton, Floyd for a song and dance...they have been awesome (at least so far)...what Lillebridge follow suit. Most scouts believe he'll be able to stick at catcher at the big league level. As long as he calls a good game and can hit, I have no problem with him being back there. You'll just have to make sure you have a nice defensive minded back-up. Plus, it isn't like we have the gold standard of catchers behind the plate anyway (in terms of throwing guys out).

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) If this trade pans out Buehrle Floyd Danks Bailey Poreda/Richard will probably the most promising starting rotation since when Buehrle and Garland came up, and people like Dan Wright still seemed like they had potential. I don't care if it's unproven it'll be a blast to watch develop. It might be promising, but it won't come close to matching the production of the 05 Sox or even last years Sox rotation, imo. I would not be really comfortable with a raw and unproven Bailey as the 4th starter, especially since I'm expecting some set backs from Danks/Floyd. I think getting a veteran starter is a must at this point if you plan on competing because you can't expect to contend (key word being expect) when you have only one pitcher who has proven to be able to pitch consistently well at the big league level.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:50 PM) Well if he somehow goes for 2 year's, $9M per then I hope it's with the Sox. I've heard a couple baseball guys on talking about stuff and they believed Abreu would sign for under 10M. Hence my post a couple spots above where i indicated a 10M a year contract is something he'd probably jump at in a couple weeks. Right now he's asking for the moon, but those demands are going to come down hard and fast. And at 2 years with an option, I'd be all over Abreu. If you are talking 3 years and 12M per season, than I'd look at Dunn. These same baseball guys didn't peg Dunn getting more than 12M a season and had him bottoming in the 8-9M per year range. Bottom line they kept saying a lot of players that sit around are going to end up getting hurt and there will be at least a few solid size names that end up taking substantially less than anyone thought. Kenny should have money to jump at those guys, but you also hope he's able to still get deals on "his" guys.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:18 PM) Viciedo figures in here somewhere too as a power source for sure... I don't think Abreu (age, will want $45/3 years) and Dunn (too one dimensional for KW's new "vision") are the best fits. I think someone like Juan Rivera (if Dye is indeed traded) makes the best sense for 2 years in LF. In the end I could see Abreu taking 10m a year. He isn't going to get 15, in fact, he might be surprsied and only end up getting 8M per season. A lot of these players are going to figure out that unless you are the top market guy there is going to become a supply/demand issue and not enough teams are going to be dangling a ton of cash and free agent values will fall on those not regarded as top 5 FA's.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:13 PM) A guy Kenny has wanted in the past is Abreu and the Yankees didnt offer arbitration. I think we'll see the Sox trade Dye and than sign Abreu to a 2 year deal with a 3rd year option. The problem is a lot of these guys are going to be more bargain type of signings who don't sign for a while (when they finally realize the market they are expecting isn't out there). Abreu would be a stellar fit in LF and the 2 spot in the order. Sure he's on the downward portion of his career but he is still a well above average offensive player (who will post a very high OBP and hit for average).

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 06:25 PM) Gilmore isnt all that great, Morton is a much better prize. Gilmore was a first round pick in 07 and has put up very good numbers in the minors plus he's supposed to have all the tools necessary of a gold glove 3rd baseman. What isn't to like.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 06:07 PM) santos is a 20 year old reliever who was in rookie ball last year and had a pretty sick K rate...45 K in 29 IP in 2008 (to go along with 0 HR), and 35 K in 28 IP in 2007 A lefty too. Got to like it.

QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 06:04 PM) Anyone know anything about Gilmore and Rodriguez? Are they legitimate prospects or throw-ins? Don't know have info on Rodriguez age, but he had 45 ks' in 29 innings of work (16 hits) in the Gulf Coast League. Those are some pretty sick periphs.