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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 22, 2008 -> 06:40 AM) They have Yonder Alonso who is about as far from Cincinnatti as Beckham is from Chicago. They could make due for a while until he is ready. Obviously a Dye->Votto->Figgins deal would need to have other pieces added in as well. Maybe something like Angels get Reds get Sox get Votto Dye Figgins Fields K Escobar Dickerson Ortega Bourjos Anderson Figgins would be a one year rental, and I think would net Type A compensation. I forgot about Yonder. I guess with Yonder less than a year away the deal makes more sense.

QUOTE (buckweaver @ Dec 21, 2008 -> 04:02 AM) You're both sipping too much nog of egg while there's still work to be done. The proposed 3-way trade didn't need your reprimand because in it, the writer was suggesting the Sox would net Figgins (maybe Santana) and Votto for Konerko and Dye. Where I believe some common sense needs to be added is that, in an attempt to get all 3-way-y as the armchair Kenny Williams, the trade proposer instead is proposing two simple trades: the first...Dye to Cincy for Votto. The second...Konerko to Anaheim/San Luis Obispo (and I don't know how to make that green or teal or whatever color it's supposed to be) for Figgins (and maybe Santana). To do that, why would Anaheim and Cincy need to swap minor leaguers? As for personal thoughts...if the second trade included Santana...let's have one great party for two of my forever favorite White Sox and wish them well in the twilight of their careers in their new cities. Let me just state that if the Sox got Figgins and Votto for Konerko and Dye I'd do it. Because I Think Votto has more value than either player straight up and Figgins has a little less value. If Santana is part of the deal than I believe you are talking one of the better moves in franchise history. I'd think the Angels would be more likely to move Weaver though and I'd have no complaints with him either. Still, I can't believe the Reds would trade Dye for Votto, they'd have to be getting something else in return.

QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Dec 20, 2008 -> 09:53 PM) If Cincy is really willing to give up Votto in a Dye trade, why not try this three-team trade out: Dye to Cincy, Konerko to Anaheim, Votto and Figgins (or Ervin Santana) to Chicago, with Cincy and Ahaheim exchanging other minor leaguers. Why in the heck would Cincy trade Votto for Dye? He's already as good of a hitter as Dye, imo.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 23, 2008 -> 09:33 AM) BTW, since we are discussing CF's in the Angels thread... Has anyone seen Figgins play CF? He hasn't played there with Hunter around, but, he played a fair amount of games there in years past. How is he out there? I've long said Figgins could be a plus centefielder. He's shown good range and has a plus arm for a centerfielder although he will make the ocassional error because he doesn't necessarily get the greatest jumps. However, his jumps would improve any time he got any sort of consistent playing time in centerfield so I truly believe if he stuckt here for a season youd' be talking about a pretty darn good defensive centerfielder. As much as I've said getting Figgins right now would be foolish. His legs have been hindering him the past couple years and when those go his production is goign to be far less valuable. That said if you can acquire him and Morales in a Paul Konerko deal, than you'll have the top of the order filled up and still be able to get some production from first while freeing up potentially enough payroll to sign Garland for the rotation and wouldn't have any significant holes on the roster (you still have Quentin/Dye/Thome to produce in the middle of the order with the hope that Fields/Morales develop nicely to fill the 6 and 7 spots).

Rhoades it is.

That doesn't pass the sniff test. Sure its a bigger conference, but you can do a s***load better than ISU. It would be a tremendous hire though.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 20, 2008 -> 08:13 AM) He's no better as I said. Ben has scored 50 before and has pretty great efficiency. Ben is at the same level as Roy IMO. He's not at a Kobe-type superstar level like some people would like to think. And again, we already had a SG on the team named Ben Gordon, so that would have been a waste of a pick unless you move Hinrich or Ben which would have been dumb at the time considering both guys were playing good basketball and their problems were in the front court. Get on them for not keeping LaMarcus Aldridge. Whoa...don't ever compare Ben Gordon and Brandon Roy. One of is a complete player and one of the best guards in the league and the other is a good 3rd option on a team. I don't necessarily disagree with you on your love for Mayo, I often said pre-draft (as did you) that Mayo might end up being the best guy in the draft.

Grand Torino was fantastic. One of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Hell of a job Eastwood...hell of a job.

I thought the station didn't go live until January 1?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 19, 2008 -> 01:24 PM) Eh, 4.00 is a stretch for sure, 4.50 is the safer bet. Jon's been a full time starter for 7 years now and he's only posted an ERA south of 4.50 twice, he's finished in the 4.50's four times. Garland is a 4.50 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, 26 HR, 207 IP starter with an awful K:BB ratio, he's going rely heavily on his defense and get absolutely destroyed in about 4 starts, he's incredibly inconsistent from month to month but in the end he's going to give you 32 starts and a ~104 ERA+ so he's valuable in the back of your rotation. Assuming of course that his shoulder is healthy and that knot isn't giving him problems. And when you have two young arms who are still in the developmental/growing pains phase (Danks/Floyd) and a questionable 5th there is a lot of value in the guy you described above.

Plus the Sox are counting on a lot of young arms and it would be nice knowing you have two pretty good innings eaters in Buehrle/Garland in the rotation.

I'd love to have Garland back on a 2 to 3 year deal.

Bobby is the freaking man.

I'd have absolutely zero problem if the Sox acquired Juan Pierre and got cash from the Dodgers. It shoudln't cost anything and at least the club would have a leadoff hitter who can hit for a solid average and get on base at a reasonably acceptable rate (albeit, not a great rate). In fact if the Sox had Pierre/Abrue in the top 2 spots of the order I'd be perfectly content (this is obviously assuming a Dye trade).

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 17, 2008 -> 06:08 AM) Some customer service you guys have around here. BAM

You could do far worse than Michael Young. The problem is his contract is massive. I would gladly take Young if you were only on the hook for anywhere between 6-8 million a season. I say that because Young would be a very stabilizing bat towards the top of the order. He still isn't a true leadoff hitter though (rather a good 2 hitter). I also think he'd be an above average defensive 2nd baseman and if Ramirez is awful at SS you could always play him there. The problem is I can't see the Rangers sending that much cash a teams way without that team giving up some significant prospects and I don't see the value in doing that. I also will admit that if you are going to go 6-8M you might as well just up it and take Furcal (albeit Young is a much better bet to remain healthy).

Sounds like Furcal to the Dodgers for 3yrs 30M.

That is a steal of a deal and I'm pissed the Sox wouldn't make that sort of offer. You know, they've just had a f***ing need at the top of the order for every year except one since Durham was dealt away (and that was when Pods had his great 05 season).

This makes no sense unless the Braves are going to acquire Peavy. I know one thing, I'd absolutely love to have Escobar and I'd trade Dye straight up for him (simply because I value middle infielders with his ability and upside). And no way is Furcal going to play 2B.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 15, 2008 -> 09:51 AM) Auburn didn't get a share of the national championship when they went undefeated. Your right...it was USC that split it with LSU huh.

QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Dec 13, 2008 -> 05:02 PM) C'mon Jason, tell me that was simply a shot at Heads? Chizik was a highly regarded defensive coordinator at both Auburn and Texas. How many coaches do you know that are going to win immediately at Iowa State? (maybe that was a shot at Heads, but not intended to be) It's a shot at Auburn too. I'm not knocking Chizik, he was a good hire for Iowa State. The key is Iowa State. Auburn is only a few years removed from being a split national champion and forced out a guy that did a pretty darn good job only to hire someone that has never proven anything at the head coaching level.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 15, 2008 -> 01:27 AM) The Bears may have a shot Screw u too Knight.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Dec 14, 2008 -> 04:52 PM) You SOB. I was like what...Dave Toub? Either way I was too excited over Babich to go see the hyperlink.

I love DJ and I'm glad he's staying with the organization.

Wow...5-19 and you get hired to be Auburn's coach. WTF?