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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 08:33 PM) Can someone demonstrate any correlation between that metric and economic performance? Hell, the Bush Admin. shows a ton of private sector experience and virtually zero job growth, that almost argues for a negative correlation. Yes, we know, Bush sucketh, Obama superhero. Positive correletion.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 08:33 AM) Unemployment rate drops from 10.2% to 10.0% Underemployment rate drops from 17.5% to 17.2% Average work week jumps from 33.0 to 33.2 Average weekly salary up. Total jobs lost for the month drops from 111,000 in October to 11,000 in November. QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 09:15 AM) on a side note, i personally love those who will attack these numbers. its almost as if they would prefer if the % went up, or the number of job losses got larger. It's not great, but realize that its better than what we've been experiencing. http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/...attens-out.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125876514545758393.html This is just a small sample of what's behind the numbers. The fallacy of "seasonally adjusted" needs to stop being spread around. Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate) Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate) There's a party goin' on right here A celebration to last throughout the years So bring your good times, and your laughter too We gonna celebrate your party with you Come on now Celebration Let's all celebrate and have a good time Celebration We gonna celebrate and have a good time It's time to come together It's up to you, what's your pleasure Everyone around the world Come on! Yahoo! It's a celebration Yahoo! Celebrate good times, come on! It's a celebration Celebrate good times, come on! Let's celebrate We're gonna have a good time tonight Let's celebrate, it's all right We're gonna have a good time tonight Let's celebrate, it's all right Baby... We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion) Let's celebrate, it's all right We're gonna have a good time tonight (Ce-le-bra-tion) Let's celebrate, it's all right Yahoo! Yahoo! Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate) Celebrate good times, come on! It's a celebration! Celebrate good times, come on! (Let's celebrate)

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) This is one of the biggest bulls*** rumors I've ever seen. Thank you.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 12:01 PM) You're the man, Kyyle. Did you end up finding your files in another location? I just upgraded to itunes 9 - it was "buggy" for me the first time I used it but now it seems ok.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 03:13 PM) Without a doubt Congress gets most of the blame. Obama gets some too, though. For all the focus we have put on Obama and Bush though, if you leave the war aspects aside, most of the major f***ing up in the last decade or so can be much more attributed to Congress than either President. Which is why the GOP got thrown out in 2006 - they spent themselves into oblivion. And that just got dwarfed by this Congress.

Padilla is a head case. No thanks.

Pro wrastlin' isn't a sport, either. It's all acting. Just sayin'.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 10:10 AM) Not when the gov't is putting an artificial bid under the market. PPT working overtime today. which gov't?

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 07:47 AM) Jesus christ, you did? Can you name what fringe ideas I'm talking about? Can you ever figure out anything without them walking you through it, hand in hand, cow-says-moo type s***? Remarkable. Let's look at this "takeover" of healthcare, that is more leftwing than a single payer system for all citizens over 65 and all children. A public option that likely won't make the cut, which is limited to about 1-3 million people. 10 million at best. But it's not likely to get through. On the other hand, they are getting millions and millions of new customers. What a takeover. This is almost as leftist as when the government took over the schools system. This is almost as leftist as when the government started taking 10% of peoples paychecks to save until they were 65. This is almost as leftist using public funds to give to people out of work. This is way more leftist than giving people below the poverty line a monthly check for food and living. I really don't know if the healthcare companies can survive taking on millions of new customers. God knows the banks didn't when the government ushered bunches of money into them. My god, this is exactly what Eugene Debbs would've done. How will the country recover from this leftist takeover. I'm so mad I should threaten to kill the president. Nice rant. There's a big difference between disagreeing with policies and people themselves and then equating those same people with brainwashing people so that these very same brainwashed people "threaten the President", which was your point that you kept trying to insinuate.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 08:04 PM) Fox is a mainstream news network, it is the highest rated cable news network, yes, it is mainstream. That's what is mainstream. That has nothing to do with whether or not the people I'm talking about is mainstream. That's the entire point, kap, and not that hard to figure out from the reading, these fringe ideas are getting mainstream airplay. Is that plain enough for you. I'm reading it over to see if you can misconstrue this, but that seems basic enough. FRINGE IDEAS are getting MAINSTREAM AIRPLAY. And yes, I do think Glenn Beck/Michelle Bachmann/Orly Taits/The churches praying for Obama's death, yes I think all of these are adding to the death threats. I don't think the death threats just spontaneously jumped because it was an odd year. Really? "Fringe Ideas"? YOU are the one making the correlations and insinuations. YOU. Got that? There's some other liberal media outlets that are NOT mainstream that are suggesting that Glenn Beck/Michelle Bachmann (I dismiss the other two because they ARE fringe idiots) are driving up thoughts that are against the policies that this president (which, by the way, are the furthest left since at least Carter, and I'll argue EVER in this country - but I know you liberals can't see it that way because you've waited this utopia since FDR started the policies) is trying to promote, but that does necessarily not lead to the fact that "death threats" are up against this President. Unless YOU think that personally, which obviously YOU do since you keep bringing it up in this thread. You're not quoting anyone, anything - YOU keep making the correlations. And I dismiss that as a notion that's naive at best, and flat out wrong at worst. I can name you several other reasons why "threats" can/would be up. And it also can be what counts are being reported. Perhaps. But that wouldn't make the story YOU keep suggesting. The point of the thread here is that the insinuations made against Beck/Baughmann in this very thread were flat out wrong. And I think that it's a good leap to sit there and say that they are the main reasons for a perceived rise in "threats" against the President.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 07:19 PM) And uhhh George Tiller, one specific case. I don't take anything I said in this thread. This doesn't change that I think Beck, et al are being incredibly irresponsible for money, and the ridiculous # of death threats needing to be checked out by the President are one example. There's the first correlation or insinuation. QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 09:25 PM) I see it was natural and encouraged to destroy our dixie chicks cds after saying the inflammatory "we aren't proud of our president" statement. But criticizing someone for perpetrating mass conspiracy theories on a mainstream news network to an audience of milliions and contributing to a high charged atmospher, that's just crazy bulls***! Words don't matter, they're just blowing off steam. (unless they're muslims) There you go again. You want to act like you're not insinuating Glenn Beck is adding to the death threats, but it's pretty damn veiled. QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) It is mainstream. It may not be news, but this isn't Al-Jazeera English or anything. (which is surprisingly not radical, they tame down the English version.) Apparently it is abhorrent to claim that radical, conspiracist, hate speech on a network watched by millions could lead to bad things. Even though there are many cases in history where it has. And, even more strangely, is a tendency of kap to defend, join, and mold himself into being one of the people I'm talking about. He posts that the conspiracy theories are stupid, and crazy, but trips over himself to act like any criticism of them, is directed at him, and if so, I guess that means Kap is exactly the person I'm talking about. If that professor from Colorado calling 9/11 victims little eichmanns was given legitimacy in a movement and had a lot of followers (not comparing him to Beck), I'd think you'd call it concerning. BUt apparently incredibly infused, hateful, bats*** crazy language used by this current set of crazy people getting far too much press is not a concern. In this thread, I never called for Beck to be put in prison, though that's responses they would argue against that very point no one ever made, I didn't even call for him to be taken off the air, (though, again, the same), and I think it's well within reason for me to criticize and caution against conspiracist, inciteful speech, because it can, and has, led to violence. But, continue arguing that you guys hate you can't criticize the president without being called racist. It never gets old, and your victim hood still has a new level to aspire to. It is mainstream, huh, but you're not throwing conservatives together in one lump? Ok. Make up your mind. Then you put me in the "mainstream" by your circular logic. Then in your last post you say "no I'm not". BS.

Yay XBox.

When Rush Limbaugh says "I hope Obama fails"... I completely understand what his point is. His policies have the potential to take this country down a path from which we cannot recover. So, in that sense, I agree. Then, people like bmags come along and will now say that I'm a lunatic because I want Obama to fail. Hell, I might even be a "racist" and have concocted some death threat against our President. The insinuations are junk, baseless, and pathetic. People who watch Glenn Beck must be idiots (pardon the pun) - yes, those baseless opinions that go against socialistic policies... how dare people go against George W. Bush. Oops, I mean, Barack Hussein Obama. Yes, Tex, it's interchangable, and it's all junk.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 07:24 AM) No Kap, not really. Everytime someone has said that the RW fringe has been capable of violence and the conspiracy talks getting unchallenged and widely distributed is a bad thing, you took it personally and acted as if we were talking about you. It's not that I'm unused to you missing the point of an argument this much, you always do this no matter what the topic. You misconstrue what is said and blow it out of proportion so you can easily dismiss it. But yes, I'd imagine hate threats to president would be lower if it wasn't seriously considered that our president wasn't a citizen, is now responsible for Ft. Hood b/c he's hell bent on protecting muslims and not whites, is racist and is muslim. Also, since we missed them, the Michigan Militia is growing in members again. Yea, I do outright dismiss these lunatic s***bags because the numbers of them are so small they aren't worth talking about. Yet, you're the one that lumps them all into the "conservative base", which is why I point out your fallacies and extreme generalizations.

QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) All politics is local Unemployment is as local as it gets. For 99% of Americans the only unemployment rate we care about begins and ends at our driveway. I know way too many talented people that are still actively looking. That's all I need to know. The rest is all mouse sweat and floofy dust. AYep. It's ridiculous, frankly. One year next Wednesday. Hell of a lot of good two masters and a CPA does me. I'm overqualified or I want too much money, even though I have cut my salary requirements 40-50% from what I was making. Then, they say, "well, he'll just leave when it gets 'better' ". Hey dumbf***s, it's NOT going to get "better" like "better" used to be. There's no infastructure in place to add that many jobs. But the reality and bottom line is, there's just not the positions open that there used to be. Period.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 08:45 PM) BUT...that's how turnarounds in the job market typically start...with increasing temporary work hiring. True. However, I have heard that and heard that, and I think people are looking for a ray of sunshine anywhere. Frankly, I do not see it. January's unemployment is going to take a huge s***, except then there's going to be a lot of people who fall off the radar - so that's going to make it look like the percentage is "steady".

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 08:28 PM) you are the ones lumping conservatives with crazy people, not me. I've never indicated that it was you that I'm talking about, it is you that continues to think I'm talking about you. And if the shoe fits, then fine. WTF? You're the one that posted that. I have never said that. You correlated Glenn Beck with the presidential death threats and I think you're nuts. But then you call me out and say that you might be talking about me? What the hell are you talking about that I can't remember?

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) It is mainstream. It may not be news, but this isn't Al-Jazeera English or anything. (which is surprisingly not radical, they tame down the English version.) Apparently it is abhorrent to claim that radical, conspiracist, hate speech on a network watched by millions could lead to bad things. Even though there are many cases in history where it has. And, even more strangely, is a tendency of kap to defend, join, and mold himself into being one of the people I'm talking about. He posts that the conspiracy theories are stupid, and crazy, but trips over himself to act like any criticism of them, is directed at him, and if so, I guess that means Kap is exactly the person I'm talking about. If that professor from Colorado calling 9/11 victims little eichmanns was given legitimacy in a movement and had a lot of followers (not comparing him to Beck), I'd think you'd call it concerning. BUt apparently incredibly infused, hateful, bats*** crazy language used by this current set of crazy people getting far too much press is not a concern. In this thread, I never called for Beck to be put in prison, though that's responses they would argue against that very point no one ever made, I didn't even call for him to be taken off the air, (though, again, the same), and I think it's well within reason for me to criticize and caution against conspiracist, inciteful speech, because it can, and has, led to violence. But, continue arguing that you guys hate you can't criticize the president without being called racist. It never gets old, and your victim hood still has a new level to aspire to. LMAO. You can't stand to be challenged on anything, can you? I think we need to bring you back to the states so you can replace Ed Schultz. "f*** Conservatives", right? But then again, I'm the looney f***ed up one here that screams "conspiracy" every other breath.

People are only hiring temps so they can fire them all after the holidays. I know that's a part of the number of the falling unemployment claims, "seasonally adjusted" or not.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 09:18 AM) ive heard this too. there is a number (i thought I had heard 500,000) where anything below that signaled job growth. the thing to keep in mind is that these are initial jobless claims. this will always be a positive number since people (even in a good economy) are always losing their jobs, quitting, etc. You can't have a negative amount of people filing for unemployment for the first time. The best it could ever be is 0. So back to the magic number, even in a bad economy, people are being hired for work. So the question mark is, how many people are being hired this week for work? Now this number can never be negative either. The worst it could be is 0. I see what you're saying.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 08:53 AM) Initial Unemployment numbers drop sharply to 466,000 this week, down from last weeks, 501,000. http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/25/news/econo...laims/index.htm What's the number here that signals job growth, I've heard 400k but I don't know. Nice to see us starting to get close at least. What? If we get to unemployment claims to a number, we have "job growth"? This is a bump for temporary holiday work.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 25, 2009 -> 08:26 AM) it's ok to break congress if it suits your politics, i guess. That's right. No matter what party you are.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 09:25 PM) I see it was natural and encouraged to destroy our dixie chicks cds after saying the inflammatory "we aren't proud of our president" statement. But criticizing someone for perpetrating mass conspiracy theories on a mainstream news network to an audience of milliions and contributing to a high charged atmospher, that's just crazy bulls***! Words don't matter, they're just blowing off steam. (unless they're muslims) So if I say I'm not proud of our president today, and meant it, without the Dixie Chicks reference, I'd be flamed all over the place. Hell, I might even be considered to have portrayed a death threat or something.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 09:20 PM) Stop with the "everyone". Hasn't been true yet, doesn't get more true even if you keep saying it. Well, there's a lot. You're right, not "EVERYONE", but most folks like to play this game.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 08:43 PM) Except some times they are, like in this case, because Republicans have taken this tactic into overdrive. Stop playing the "everything is always equal, therefore all criticism is invalid" card. And they should. Largest spending Congress in the history of the United States, largest government entitlements in the history of the United States, some of the largest punative corporate measures in the history of the United States, but they should just stop the tactics that the other party has used in the past when it suited them just fine to do so. Right. And in a lot of cases, the majority of the American people don't want these POS bills as written. They want a form of some of them, but definitely not as written. But I'm sure the polls (leaning questions that get you the responses Congress wants) tell you otherwise, right? The difference is now it's in the open that Congress uses this; in the past it was the threat they would use it.