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QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 04:23 PM) If you attached either Rasmus or Revere's line to Delcomnico or Cordell/Tilson I think we would be quite happy. Both have their holes though no doubt. I wouldn't be happy. Those lines are a dime a dozen. I want at least one of our OF to really break out. I'll take that with the rest flaming out, over a bunch of Rasmus'.

Avi, Leury, Delmonico

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Feb 13, 2018 -> 10:19 AM) - Demonico, Tilson, Cordell – Yes I’d like to see them play. I don’t necessarily think a Rasmus or Revere is better long term – just food for thought Rasmus or Revere probably aren't better short-term either. Which is why there isn't a line to sign them...most teams have interesting 2nd tier prospects like Delmonico et al (While I am a sucker for sweet Septembers, I'm really looking forward to seeing Delmonico play this year).

I see my man Jake Rogers, who was the best defensive catcher in the 2016 draft, checks in at a gaudy #17. The "jury is still out" on the Sox new and improved drafting. They are drafting college hitters - hopefully the evaluation has gotten a lot better.

i think closing is Robertson's best spot. He gets to start with nobody on, can make a mistake or two and get out of the inning. There's no room for error if you're brought in with runners on. Of course I believe that you shouldn't put your best relievers as closer. There's no way that Robertson and Frazier should have been pure salary dumps, and I don't think they were. I never liked Frazier much, but he's a solid player.

QUOTE (flavum @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 02:25 PM) I don't really believe in spring training competition anymore. They start out with a 25-man roster, and if they stay healthy, that's who they go with. Just a guess, if healthy- L- Avilan, Cedeno R- Farquhar, Infante, Minaya, Jones, Soria There's a distinct lack of youth; Infante and Minaya are inexperienced (and both pitched well in garbage-time September) but not young. The rest are decliners or re-treads. Well it seemed to me that Soria and Avilan were acquired solely to be flipped (no other reason to acquire them) so hopefully a few will have good years and can be moved by July, to create some room for younger players.

Josh Reddick was a pretty consistent 2.5-3 WAR player and he signed for 4/$52 last year. Would Boras take that for Hosmer/Moustakas? Hosmer is inconsistent - he'll have a 3-4 WAR year, and then a 0 WAR year. Moustakas is inconsistent too. The tanking teams has something to do with it, but it's also a fact that the market has changed...these 30 year old good/not great players just don't have the value they did.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 01:09 PM) https://www.fanragsports.com/inside-basebal...-affect-others/ The White Sox are in the market for a DH, though at this time there is no evidence that they have any interest in trading for eminently-available Dodgers outfielder Matt Kemp. There was a time many, many years ago that the Sox showed some interest in Kemp, but that was many moons ago. This doesn't make much sense to me. They need to find playing time for Delmonico, Davidson, Leury, W Garcia, Tilson, Cordell; DH is a position they can pick up at bats. No need to stop the flow with the dreaded "proven veteran"

He had us #10 last year, and that was after the Sale/Eaton trades; since then we picked up an elite talent from Q, but Moncada, Giolito and Lopez graduated. Still the Sox rose 6 spots...he must like a lot of the secondary acquisitions. I'm pretty stoked about #4, considering the above.

Broxton is a K machine.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 08:52 AM) DH is the only spot I’m not overly excited about how we’re using at the moment. Sox don't have a young DH per se, but they have a lot of players (primarily outfielders) that need to rotate through the DH spot in order to get regular at bats. I'm glad it's an open position right now.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 08:40 AM) Balta has talked about using our playing time as an asset to find undervalued talent, that was the role the Brewers played. 2016 they picked up tons of near major talent and gave them playing time. This trade was also a great example of why to wait until you are closer to knowing. When brewers had a clear surplus they were able to trade for an elite, cost controlled talent, not just an upgrade. That's what I'd like us to do, use surplus for elite upgrades, not just filling 0 war with 2 war vets. Amen!

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 08:15 AM) It's complicated so I'll try to explain. Large market teams that offered QO now get a pick after the 2nd round. So the Cubs will get 2 picks after the 2nd round for Arrieta and Davis. Those 6 teams that I listed after the 1st round are all considered small market teams that receives revenue sharing. Those teams still get a pick after round 1 for losing a free agent that offer a QO to. Revenue sharing recipients lose their 3rd highest pick to sign a QO FA. Big market revenue providers (Sox lumped in here) forfeit their 2nd choice to sign a FA. Teams that are over the luxury tax line (SF, Washington, Boston, LAD) would forfeit their 2nd and 5th rounder to sign a QO FA. Does this help? Thanks Jimmy. And it certainly looks like a system that can be "worked" by small market teams, like the Rockies did. Instead of re-signing your own guy, let him go, sign a player from another team, and move up in the draft.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 26, 2018 -> 07:52 AM) He’s basically another version of Avi, but with more proven power. A bit out of date... Santana has primarily played right field in the major leagues, starting there in 508 of 592 games. Santana is a big guy, standing at 6'5" and 225 pounds, which fits his power. Right now, however, it's difficult to see where he might fit on the Brewers barring more deals. He's not a center fielder and right field is occupied by Ryan Braun and the Brewers have a somewhat similar player in Khris Davis in left field. Dominguez has never played first base so it's unlikely the Brewers would try to move him there. But the Brewers don't need to fit him in right away. They can always see what happens the rest of this season and next spring and see if/when he's deserving of another shot at the big leagues. Santana has a strong enough arm for right field if that's where he lands. His defense isn't anything to write home about, but it's not bad either. Brewcrewball.com Avi's fangraphs defensive ratings are below par, but Santana's are awful. As for arm, Santana had 4 assists last year while Avi had 13. Santana looks similar to Evan Gattis to me.

I see the Rockies performed a nice feat of arbitrage, letting Holland go and signing Davis and moving up 9 spots in the process. Speaking of which, I'm not up on the rules, but why do the Rockies have to lose a pick for signing Davis? I assume he wasn't given a QO, or the Cubs would be on that post-first round list of extra picks.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 11:20 PM) The White Sox would definitely have interest in Domingo Santana, as well as Keon Broxton, who has no place to play now unless someone gets injured, same with Phillips. Corey Ray would be another possibility, with his Chicago ties, along with Erceg. That's at least 5 players (I'm assuming we're not going to trade for MORE pitching). I think most of SoxTalk would be elated to acquire Keston Hiura for Abreu, although where he would play (DH/2B, possibly 3B or LF) is another question altogether. I wouldn't think the Sox would be interested in Santana unless he can play a good 1B and they move Abreu. They just can't put a defender like that in the OF this early in the buildup. He might actually be an interesting pickup for Boston. Broxton might be palatable on the buy-low side. As for moving Yolmer, perhaps, but the Sox aren't exactly loaded with Middle Infield prospects (or 3B for that matter).

Another way to look at it for the Brewers is that they turned Jean Segura and a broken Lucroy into Yelich.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 25, 2018 -> 05:27 PM) Would you agree Sox equivalent is Robert, Hansen and Rutherford? I would not agree. Maybe Eloy, Hansen and Rutherford. I would be okay with the sox making this kind of trade if they had shown any ability to regenerate young players like the Astros do. But they haven't. What we see right now is about all we'll get.

I think he's right - too many rebuilders. I cause, I think is the 1 game wildcard.. Teams aren't going to go "all in" for a 1 game playoff series. And honestly, it's ridiculous. Instead, dump divisions and the top 4 make the playoffs...or top 6 and run normal playoff series.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jan 21, 2018 -> 03:42 PM) Yes. Cease + Rutherford + another big piece that isn't our top 4. Literally anybody from Anderson to Burger to Giolito to Lopez. Heck I would trade that package for him (although not Anderson and preferably not Giolito/hansen). Although not Yelich related, I wonder what the cost of those 2nd tier pitchers- Lynn or Cobb? I think the Sox could use one of those mid-rotation guys for insurance/stabilization purposes.

It's hard to see the Sox could help facilitate a Yelich trade for the Brewers. They both have corner outfielder prospects to trade. The Brewers don't have a good veteran to deal whom the Marlins wouldn't want, but another team might (and the Sox wouldn't anyway). Maybe if the Brewers were willing to move Brinson, and the Marlins wanted a larger volume of prospects, so the Sox could bundle up a few to the Marlins and get Brinson from the Brewers. On the other hand, I could see the Sox needing a 3rd team if they wanted to use Abreu as the primary trade piece.

these players aren't waiving no-trade clauses to sit on the White Sox bench...which is where they should be if the Sox trade for them. No one ranked Burger where the Sox drafted him, so it looked to me like a reach for position...and if that's what they're doing they need to stop. Burdi would never have been selected (just like Tatis would have never been traded) were the Sox realistic with their chances in June 2016.

Law didn't like the Robert signing- not his kind of player. But the concern is the ongoing struggle the Sox have in drafting and developing their own players. Sure they can get a few top guys for trading Sale and Quintana, but this rebuild won't happen if they don't do better on the drafting front.

Ellsbury has had WAR of .9, 2 and 1.6. He's 33. What's the point here? Leury had 1.1 in his first full season with fewer at bats, is younger and earns the league minimum. Milwaukee isn't trading Brinson. I don't see the matchup - both teams have the same "excess" to the extent it exists: corner outfield. The Whitesox better be careful about trading pitching; I know the Cubs did it this way, but there are a lot more rebuilders now and pitching is tight. And White Sox history in the Williams/Hahn era is generally an arm (or more) short, as per Noesi in the rotation for "go for it" teams.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 19, 2018 -> 03:03 PM) I think trading Hansen is dangerous until we know what we have in Giolito & Lopez. Maybe next year it’s a different story, but I’m not giving up one of my few guys who has a chance to be a legit TOR starter. We can always buy an OF in free agency if need be, high end starting pitching is a different story. Trading Hansen is also dangerous because he 1) could be an ace (the Sox have only 1 other prospect who fits that category) and 2)the Sox don't have as much young pitching as they need, much less what some think they have (excess? Yikes!). For all his hype, Yelich just isn't a transformational player. It's too early lock into the good-not-great veterans.