GreenSox

With all due respect to my tanker friends, losing tonight's game was ridiculous.

Maybe because he was "toolsy" and people are sick of toosly, but Burger was a reach (and later signed for below slot) and people didn't seem too upset. There was no real consensus as I recall.

Yep

The Sox got an elite prospect. Tampa didn't. But they are two different types of trades. Tampa made a re-tooler trade for young ML players Sox made a rebuilder trade for prospects who were good ways away.

Dozier's a player I'd like to see on the Sox - can he play 3rd? He's not having a good year, and is 30, but he's a good athlete and maybe he can be signed for reasonable terms.

I remember him from college as a starter and was going to ask whether he could start - thanks for addressing that in the write-up.

I would say definitely so.

Nice trade for the redbirds...they move a lot of their good not great players along when they approach 30.

Rodon is not a pitching prospect. He's in his 4th year. He was drafted before the rebuild. He pitched in the majors 2 years before the Sox decided to rebuild.I know the Sox have a lot of pitching prospects. But the start of this thread is that the Sox want to be decent next year. And my response is simply that the reason they aren't decent this year is the pitching. What some people don't seem to appreciate is that Davidson, Leury, Palka, and Narvaez have out-performed on offense players that were fawned over from 2014-16. I guess it's the non-hyped prospect bias.

Why? Because the Sox have the worst starting pitching in MLB. So far they are 0/3 with top starting pitching prospects (and yes, they could improve). The pitching is why this team is so bad. Not the hitting, the pitching.

Then I would suggest that they trade Avi for some young pitching.

Sure, if they are legit lottery tickets. But to me moving Avi is priority.

Absolutely not. But the Marlins should be shopping the heck out of him off of this career year and only 2 years of control. A hitting catcher is icing before you have cake; career years, 2 years of control - big nix.

No Correa, no Altuve, questionable DH, no bench bat: the Astros need a bat. A team I'd love for Hahn to cut a deal with. Garcia for, oh some LF named Tucker currently hitting .143! Throw in a sweetener - Astros can have anyone from the major league bullpen.

Depends on how you value defense. Leury misses catchable balls out there. Anyway, the work by the Birmingham and Charlotte coaches seems to have been exquisite so at least he should continue to learn down there.

If it's really about him learning from different defensive situations, he'd face more of those in the majors. But maybe KW saw the effect of calling up Moncada, Anderson and the 3 pitchers, if not before they were ready, before they dominated lower levels and now he wants to make sure that the AA and AAA coaches do the teaching. Maybe Renteria, Cooper et al are more focused on winning games than on development. Thus, pitching Rodon for 110+, only tepid chances for Leury to learn CF, etc. Just speculation, obviously.

The Astros, without Altuve and Correa, really could use a bat. They are no lock for the division. They could use Harper...although imo, they could use Avi or Abreu even more!

Absolutely. I watched Bieber for a few innings tonight. He looked really talented- made a few mistakes, but he threw a lot of great pitches. I'd love to move him out of this division.

Reds are in build-up mode. They think they can compete next year. Nice move for them although all 3 are risks.

Well those were some heady comments from Kenny. Hard not to get pumped!

yea, forgot about him. Him too.

Yea, move Avilan and Cedeno - creates room and will get a little something. Currently in the pen, only Fry and Danish are of any long term interest really, as of now.

Unfortunately, he won't return anything. I'd be surprised if a contender wants him anyway. There's room to bring up a young starter - he can go to the pen.

Then the prospects come to the American League. No thanks. Archer seems to be a Q level pitcher to me...

If they can't trade Avilan or Cedeno, they just have to let them go. I Danish is getting his trial right now; my guess is the Sox already decided no on Guerro, but maybe he gets a trial soon - he's pitched reasonably well. Burr had a promotion despite walking 4.5 per 9 so I figured it was filler and thus I'd say he won't be protected. Absolutely protect Ruiz - he's pitched great this year and he's young. Mendick, Polo and everybodyy's favorite prospect from 3 years ago, Michalczewski - probably not.