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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) Betts >> Bradley and has more value than Sale by himself, so not sure why Bradley is the untouchable one and Betts isn't. I agree. I would think that they're both untouchable. Take the top prospects, Hahn No more clowning.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) This board would not care about Tatis at all if he weren't traded for Shields. Until one of those A ball international guys turns out good.....like Montas and several on the Cubs and Redsox. Regardless, just getting that contract off the books would be a plus.

I see Robinson Leyer is back in the rotation; and he had a nice start.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:46 AM) Can't take that .210 AVG in the 4 hole, aside from what I believe is solid D and elite power, best Sox 3B since Crede The Sox haven't had a 3B who was remotely competent since Crede (until Frazier). His D hasn't impressed me and certainly nowhere near Crede. I think they'll keep him if for no other reason there are a several available hitters that are better than Frazier.

Frazier isn't going to get a gargantuan contract (at least I don't think he is). He has power. His D is pretty bad, but the Sox could do better at rotating players around, especially in the DH spot. I might hang on to him and move him next year. Depending on how the rebuild goes and how he looks, perhaps even extend him. If they can get a legitimate prospect for him, then move him. But not so sure that happens.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:02 AM) If they keep Sale and Quintana, they won't rebuild and will try to compete next year. You have to try if you keep them. yea you do and it will end up like this year. Too many holes, too little talent. But as per the OP, this is an ideal time to rebuild. Some contending teams really lack pitching; the FA market is weak. This rebuild could go quickly IF properly executed. That's a big IF with Rick Hahn doing the evaluating and trade negotiation. And for goodness sakes, send Fulmer back down.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:11 PM) He would arguably be the top FA pitcher this offseason though if he finishes out the season strong. Could lock up similar money to what he's making now for longer than just the next 2 years. He'll be 35. No one would pay him anywhere near $44 million; The Sox will be fortunate to peddle him now for an interesting A ball prospect.

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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) I know a lot of people want Devers but if it meant getting the 2 top guys then they keep Devers and we could take a different prospect. I would so something like this for Sale and Robertson Sox take 1 Redosox protect 1. Sox take 2 Redsox protect 2 Sox take 1 Redsox protect 5 Sox take 2 Sox take Swithart If one wants Sale traded.

I think they'll be fortunate to get a Tatis back for Shields. If offered, I'd take it and run.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:01 AM) Problem is this...the price is so high for Sale (reasonably though) that whoever trades all their farm talent for him will become the next...White Sox. Boston would develop new replacements quickly; that's one reason why they are so willing to trade. They're not great on the pitching side, though.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Unless a trade partner throws in some proven MLB talent, I'm not convinced anyone will be offering fair value for 3.5 years of Sale or 4.5 years of Q. I'll take elite prospects - Urias, Moncada, for sure; Bregman and the Pirates guys maybe. Proven talent like Mazzara or Profar doesn't do much for me. They aren't that great (or at least they haven't played that way yet). Betts is a different story, but that won't hapen.

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QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 05:13 PM) I dont think there will be a Boston deal without benintendi. Yea, Rogers or levine...one of those guys - says Sox love Benintendi. Falling in love with a specific prospect scares me a bit....could result in the belief of getting more value than the reality

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 04:30 PM) What if they decide to add by trading some of our minor league talent to add a proven talent to our current mix? Maybe they wont sell at all. The Sox may go on a run here and have Jerry believe they have a shot and decide, you know what, we can add a piece or two and be in contention. Who could they add? Much of the talk has geared away from this but its still possible. The Sox are currently in 7th place in the wild card race, 1/2 game from 8th. If Williams and Hahn want to chase these dreadful odds, then they will prove once and for all that they are to general managing what Ventura is to managing.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) What does that say about our GM who made that deal that we are desperately trying to unload him because of the money we took on... If that's what we are doing, then it says he made some bad moves. But I am hoping Hahn looks at it as an arbitrage opportunity. We acquired him when he was a mess, fixed him, and the idea is to flip him for more than we paid to get him.

Absolutely don't give him away; nor Gonzalez. But if teams offer a premium, trade him. That said, if the Sox do move Sale, I'd be inclined to keep them to preclude more rush ups. I'd rather see Beck than a rush up.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:13 PM) Marlins have absolutely nothing to trade. Miguel Gonzalez has actually been really good for the Sox. Could be, especially if the Sox trade Sale. They'll need some ability in the rotation, and this might preclude more rush-ups. But Gonzales has a track record...we know what he is: a capable 4/5. If someone offers something good, then you make a move. And it likely will be low minors guys, but so be it. There's room there in this organization. I'd say the same with Shields. If you trade Sale keep him, if not, move him if the offers warrant.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:43 PM) If Sox win 2 or 3 against the Cubs and then win 2/3 against the Twins, does anyone here think they will sell? I honestly don't think they trade away anyone. I don't trust them to sell until they do. I don't think they'll sell Q or Sale, if for no other reason that I just don't think the offers will be at the acceptable level. But they can moveDuke or Frazier or Robertson. And Gonzo absolutely should be marketed; as well as Shields. If they can't move any of these second tier guys, then Hahn is baying at the moon instead of taking a serious approach.

Saladino Benching him for most of July was ridiculous.

If there was ever an opportunity to sell high..... I hope they stick around to watch Shields tomorrow.

Here's a Sherman article Urias is available for Sale http://nypost.com/2016/07/25/dodgers-would...ris-sale-talks/

QUOTE (bruni @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Yankees take the entire haul received from Cubs for Chapman, add #2 overall catching prospect Gary Sanchez AND Pineda (Coop will fix him!) for Sale. Sox immediately solve long term catching issue with Sanchez and most recent #1 Collins, get stronger up the middle in time with McKinney and Rashard Crawford, acquire stud middle infielder Torres (who I would convert into a 2B) and have both Warren and Pineda to bolster starting pitching staff. Pass. I wish some NL teams would get into the game here...but it doesn't appear that they will. Houston and Boston look like the possibilities. Those 2 teams have the GMs most willing to pay a haul (edge there to Boston, but Houston has certainly paid high prices for players recently). And they have position prospects. Prefer a position headliner to pitcher because, in the end, what do we want out of the pitching...another Sale or Q? Well, we have that bird in the hand. And I'd rather Sale/Q pitch for Houston...it will be a touch nauseating seeing either with Boston. Arenado has 3 years left after this year; same as Sale. You have to get some quantity if you're dealing Sale...ML ready prospects and some lower guys. Plus, the Frazier-Arenado upgrade is much less than the Sale-AAAA pitcher downgrade will be.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:52 AM) I've been saying for a while guys, the perfect deal is Sale and Robertson to the Red Sox for Rodriguez, Swihart, Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, and Kopech. Red Sox get 6 years of control between the 2. A top tier closer and a top 5 pitcher in the game. Sold

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) In a situation this extreme, there's no point in fighting perception. Due to his value being a bit tarnished by perception/name recognition/win total, etc., the Sox are just not going to get enough value in a Quintana trade to make it worthwhile. No GM is going to empty his farm system for a name that doesn't fully energize the fan base. Sale on the other hand... That's an argument to trade Sale. If done right, it could be a great move. A question, though, do the Whitesox value Q at almost the level of Sale? Are the pricetags similar? I hope they are.