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For one thing, Renteria bunted in the precise Point in the game where it makes sense to bunt. No evidence to suggest Ventura would've gotten that right. In fact, I don't think Ventura has bunted since his New York City sit-down with Hahn. He may be under no bunt orders, which, was probably necessary overall.

That was a good fight by the Sox. I see Renteria can identify the rare instance when it makes sense to sacrifice bunt. That could portend well.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:42 PM) The organization is awful. Talent level is bad at the big league level and farm system is a disgrace. Hahn has made a ton of moves the last few years, and almost everyone has failed. The truth

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:20 PM) #GabeKaplerForWhiteSoxManager2017 Or GM

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 08:01 PM) Bourgeois has to be more of a big leaguer than Coats. That should be an easy move. He hasn't hit ML pitching in 700 at bats. But nothing to lose by trying. And if he doesn't work, try DAvidson or someone.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) And that's why he needs to go. He can't develop a winner on the field and the farm system is a disaster And if he's worried about his job, then things will only get worse...nothing to lose by cleaning out whatever's left in the farm. Hahn's just been awful in "go for it" mode.

Ventura didn't trade for 2.5 years of James Shields. Shouldn't have traded for either Shark or Shields in the first place. Neither was a fit for the Cell anyway.

Square on the back of Rick Hahn. 10 runs allowed v. Seattle might have been a clue...but then he's got to "get his guy"

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 05:39 PM) We'll be getting the RV firing soon. Front office however is staying the same I'm ashamed to say. I do wish Hahn had full reigns to see what he'd be about. I do think he's hamstrung by KW at times. That may be the case. At one time, I thought it was the case. Now I really don't know. I like what Hahn did his fist year...try to build a foundation (which was exactly 2 when he took over: Q and Sale). In a 6 month time period, he doubled it to 4 (Abreu and Eaton) with Avi and Davidson as possibilities. But then, he, or Williams or both decided to "Go for it" and that was that.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 13, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) Out of the MLB.com top 200, the White Sox drafted 6 guys: Zack Collins (14), Zach BUrdi (41), Alec Hansen (62), Jameson Fisher (75), Luis Curbelo (104), and Ian Hamilton (187) They also drafted 12 guys from the Baseball America Top 500: Collins (16), Burdi (21), Hansen (37), Fisher (64), Curbelo (99), Hamilton (221), Call (266), Flores (312), Nolan (410), Elliot (478), Lambert (479), and Booker (492). I'm guessing they'll get great overall reviews from Baseball America. Sox had 7 of the first 200 picks and 17 of the first 500 picks. Reliever in the 11th round - agree it's great. Reliever in round 1 - the essence of the problem with this front office. But he's a good player. If they can sign all of these guys, it should be a productive draft.

New front office please....then deal with this dugout staff. Firing Ventura is just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2016 -> 12:20 AM) Bourgeois is going to be up for Shuck or Coats soon if they can't start to heat up a little bit. He's had 700+ ML at bats, with an ops below .630.

Do people seriously want to trade MORE young players to add veterans to this team? Especially with Hahn doing the trading and evaluating? Good lord.

Engel takes his walks which could portend well once he's ready. But a premature call up could turn him into MCKay Christianson. It's worth being a little more patient to see if Sox can get a real player. They can find a no-hit centerfielder for basically nothing.

Now this is a good pick. he can hit.

If they are going to pay over-slot somewhere else, fine, but otherwise, don't see the point of a clear reach. no need to use round 3 for org. minor leaguers.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 10, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) Yep. I'm wondering if Hahn's decision to go with Anderson over Sanchez is partly because he's planning on dealing Sanchez closer to the deadline. Not that Sanchez is highly coveted or anything, but a packing containing him, Avi, and a decent prospect may be able to land a halfway decent bat. Probably because they think Anderson is just better. I hope Saladino continues to play fairly regularly, spelling the other 3; his D is sound, he's improving and we will have 2 infield openings in 2 years. Hopefully we won't fill those with 37 year olds or via jettisoning quality young hitters.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 10, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) It starts his hero clock. If he is as good as we hope, we will be officially hero worshipping in no time, and he will be currency to get some prospects. No, it would be THEY (other fanbases) hero-worshiping him. But he'd have to be in the NL, have bad splits, play on a terrible team and have 2 years or less on his contract to qualify. And he'd have to be nearing 30 or over.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 10, 2016 -> 07:21 AM) They should probably wait for Saladino to outplay Rollins before getting rid of Rollins He's been doing that for a while. I don't see a compelling reason to DFA Rollins though. For one thing, he's killed LH pitching this year (although in small sample sizes). Perhaps should still stick around to take some at bats against lefties, even as DH, PH. If Ventura did that platoon thing.

Why in the world is Ryan Leonards in AAA? He had 250ish A ball at bats in 2015 Was basically on the bench in A (47 AB) and AA(6AB) in 2016 and hasn't done much. And now he's in AAA?

Wow - DFA Guess they just had enough. Let's see what ya got, Tyler A bad pitcher can just kill ya in a way an impotent Rollins cannot.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 10:04 PM) Unbelievable...... KW's drafts were ripped for years for taking the safe high floor guys, before they shifted focus. Now they go back to it and he's ripped again. I think it's JR's administrative assistant again making picks. I think the problem with KW's high floor/low ceiling drafting is that it was coupled with reaching (probably due to no fixed slot system).

Collins looks like he has an advanced hit tool. Excited to see what Sox can do with him. Hitter development has gotten an unfair rap. It's improving. Hahn's ongoing mis-evaluation of hitting talent partly to blame for bad rap. Not impressed w/ drafting likely bullpen pitchers that high. If he can start, super. Ability to help this year not important imo either (unless they really are low ceiling guys, and then you take what you can get). I trust they aren't low ceiling.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 9, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) Recap posted. Engel looking much better. That week or 2 in A ball seemed to energize him. Been a different player since.

At this point the Sox just have to let it ride. Certainly Hahn shouldn't make any more trades for veterans. But I don't want he and Williams to divest because they can't take an objective look at it. If the Sox need to divest of these players, fresh management team needs to do it. Hahn can make some small moves to move middle relievers or dead veterans at the deadline if they can get something but any decision on the big dogs has to come from fresh management.