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QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 23, 2008 -> 12:12 AM) I still think our best option is to trade Crede at the deadline when his value is highest. The odds of him resigning with us are at about 10%, IMO, if not lower. The only way I wouldn't trade him is if Thome, Konerko, and Fields are still batting sub-.200 come July (or in Fields case, K'ing every other AB), and we are in the heat of playoff race. Plus, I still think Fields is the third baseman of the future for us. I don't disagree if there is value to be had, but I think we'll end up being better off with draft picks. I don't see anyone giving up a lot for him at the deadline... Hope I'm wrong.

QUOTE (MEANS @ Apr 22, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) and we needed this thread because.........????????????? Because I felt like, there's a way to swivel the mouse over the thread link if you so care. Let me know if I can help you through it.

Nothing really new here, but for those who were holding on hope that the early Sox success would change Crede's heart towards the Sox, it ain't happening: According to the Sox, Boras told them late last season that they need not bother with an offer because he plans to explore the free-agent market for Crede. But lost in all the rhetoric seems to be what Crede is open to. ''I have never said I didn't want to negotiate a deal,'' Crede said. ''There have never been any concrete talks with us on doing something. If that's what they want to do, that's fine. Our door is always open. You can never turn down something that will change not only your life, but your kids' lives and their kids' lives. You can't shut the door on that, no matter when it happens. ''It doesn't bother me that it's the stance they want to take. They have their negotiating tactics, and obviously we have ours.'' It's a little unfortunate that there appears either miscommunication from Crede's camp, or this includes the negotiating tactic he mentions. But it seems likely Boras' told the Sox to forget discussing a deal last year, and now Crede doesn't want to be the bad guy when he inevitably leaves town. Ride it out, and give Fields his chance next year...

Yes, he can with the development of an additional pitch, I believe he added a cutter for lefties. But when he's in the mid 90's and his snapping curve is being pitched for strikes, he's mighty tough to guess on.

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 12, 2008 -> 03:25 PM) Ozzie said he didnt like Cuzzi as a man.That had nothing to do with the game or his calls,that was a cheap shot that did nothing"help take the pressure off his team".Nor will it help us for future calls.Its like being an ass to the media,its never a good idea because they stick together and will make you pay for it.He has made it personal with Cuzzi and his fellow co workers will back him up. How do you know they'll back him up? This whole thing is personal, you think Ozzie was accusing him of being stupid when the Sox were up, and smartened up when the Twins were up? No, he was making it known that Cuzzi's personal feelings is being taken out on the Sox players, and I think Ozzie lived up to his responsibility in addressing it, and ensuring it doesn't fly under the radar.

And as far as umps sticking together, doesn't anyone work with someone you feel is a complete **** head? I don't see how it is inconceivable for fellow umps to see one of there own as having stepped over the line. Keep in mind, Ozzie said he had no problem with umpires, only with this one in particular. He was clear about that...

QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 12, 2008 -> 01:38 PM) Exactly, thats why Oz should have been a little more discreet in his dislike for Cuzzi.If you want to argue for your team during the game thats great but to take it to the media was stupid,and it didnt do Ozzie or the team any good.Everytime Ozzie says or does something stupid, we need to stop saying that he is just taking the pressure of the team.That is an overused bulls*** excuse. You say overused, I say unappreciated. The point of Ozzie making his comments was to protect his team against future match ups, and to make it public, in order for MLB to not easily be able to turn their heads on the matter. Sure, he got kicked out, and he did what he did for the incident at the time, but he's just as concerned for the next time as well, as a pattern has already developed.

QUOTE (The Beast @ Apr 12, 2008 -> 02:08 AM) To say that someone has a personal vendetta against you is absoluely ridiculous. Oh man, you said that they are like god in my eyes with big capital letters, what ever should I do? Ridiculous? Do you know their history between each other? Is it so hard to contemplate umps being human and being capable of being wrong and stubborn? **** these guys have bigger egos than players at times.

QUOTE (The Beast @ Apr 12, 2008 -> 01:14 AM) I'm glad they fined him---he was being a whine-y b****. No, he's stepping in for the players who were upset, taking the pressure off of them. If you don't argue when you're getting screwed by the umps, you'll just continue to get screwed. At least he brought some attention to it. This guy knows he's going to be under the microscope, and better be even with his calls.

Fick was on tv showing him being escorted out, yelling at the crowd, when all of a sudden a full beer hit him in the face. It was awesome, and the best $4.50 or whatever that guy probably ever spent a beer on in his life.

QUOTE(ChiSox1323 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 10:36 PM) i got these in the white sox wire email. i dont know if the links will work but here they are. http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp...swisher_400.wmv http://mlb.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl.jsp...konerko_400.wmv Thanks bro - awesome!

Can someone post the Swisher one?

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Good to know that KW has his head lodged firmly up his ass. I'm waiting for the Masset over Wassermann selection any second now. Were we suppose to release Crede?

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 08:12 PM) Inge has good defense and decent offense. plus he doesn't have any health concerns. if the Giants think Inge is the better player, they'll probably be happy to hang on to him for several years. without bonds' huge salary, the giants have some money burn. I don't think the Giants feel he is a better player, but maybe a better option for them considering they feel they could get Crede for Scott Williamson, who they've since released.

With Crede's value being **** on by the Giants, anyone feel that the eventual Roberts trade will help bring Crede's value up? I mean, the Cubs are rumored to be giving a pretty respectful package for him.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 04:08 AM) I think as long as Dye is on the team and producing he'd be playing RF, if he's healthy his defense is not that bad and he still has the arm. He's just getting a little long in the tooth so who knows how much longer he'll be around. But considering Quentin's tools I think he could play RF no problem, it was just an assumption I made when he came to the Sox. I totally believe that's where he ends up after next year. If he's ready for it, I don't see the Sox picking up Dye's option, but rather riding out this year and next.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 02:14 AM) Why not? This would be the perfect time to trade him before we cant unload him at all when the 10 and 5 rights kick in. I liked that idea when people were tossing names like Kendrick and Kotchman around. With the Mets trading their highest ranked players, you have to wonder what they could realistically give up. The Yankees have some talent, but since the new Steinbrener has taken over... the man's a loon. I don't think we'd get what we needed unless the Angels stepped up a package, and I think they are liking the guys they got.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 3, 2008 -> 04:20 PM) In 05 we won because of great pitching and an offense that got hot at the very end of the year. Outside of that in 05 the offense was bad. In the first part of 06 we hit the crap out of the ball, and in the 2nd part of 06 Pods was lost in groin-injurville. In 06 we had a good offense because Thome and company were crushing the ball and hitting everything. Not because Pods was stealing bases. 05 offense moved runners to score, and often were able to score early in games, allowing the pitching staff to be in a position of strength when on the mound.

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 01:22 AM) Maybe he doesn't want to come here. He'd have to really not want to if he's willing to risk his major league career for it.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Mar 2, 2008 -> 11:53 PM) I say trade him if possible. I'd rather have Owens as a 4th outfielder mainly because he has a lot more speed than Anderson does. Exactly, we shouldn't be debating the better player, but rather the better fit.

QUOTE(Allsox @ Mar 2, 2008 -> 11:06 PM) A .324 OBP is terrible for a leadoff hitter, which is what Owens is expected to be. Plus, his defense is just meh with no arm to speak of. I'm not all pro Owens, but his minor league numbers suggests his potential is better than this. Whether it happens next year or not is yet to be determined, but if I were to bet on who would produce a better OBP, I would be laying it on Owens.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 2, 2008 -> 10:58 PM) 27 combined AB Ya, and if you add in their career major league numbers on top of it.

QUOTE(KevinM @ Mar 2, 2008 -> 07:12 PM) Cause BA is better suited to be a 4th OF and Owens is better suited to run track. As of now, Owens has proved himself the superior hitter. I wish Anderson proves himself better, but to this point he has not.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Mar 2, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) Id kill for BA to actually develop into a .270+ hitter with 20 homers, 10-20 sbs...with his defense he'd be killer just by being an average hitter. Kind of like a Tori Hunter mold. With our team's makeup and outfield depth, even this probably wouldn't make him a starter. In 06 and 07 it would have awesome. Now with our leadoff needs, it seems he's destined to be a 5th outfielder for us, or trade bait.

Nice creativity man, I can appreciate the effort for sure.