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QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) Pavano would cost the league minimum. We don't need to pay for incentives, and you forgot to point out, HE SUCKS. He pitched well in Florida, and he began to suck when in NY, where you forget to point out he was injured. I'm not saying he's great, but I'd sign him to a minor league deal no problem.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 10:13 PM) I'd rather take the one year flyer on Garcia or Colon. Me too, but they figure to be more expensive.

QUOTE(knightni @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 08:48 PM) Yep. Andy Gonzalez. My guess would be Owens to add to the speed factor.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 08:20 PM) And when Crede confirms he's not entirely healthy or useful with the bat? Andy Gonzalez at 3B. You would certainly have the option of moving Cabrera there, and finding a new LF.

Per Rotoworld: Carl Pavano-S-Yankees Nov. 11 - 1:26 pm et The Yankees could release Carl Pavano in order to open up a spot on the 40-man roster, says the New York Post. The club could be facing a roster crunch by the time their winter dealing is over, in no small part because they've given major league contracts to Juan Miranda and 2007 first-rounder Andrew Brackman over the last year. Pavano, finally entering the final year of his four-year, $39.95 million contract, is expected to miss at least the first half of the season following Tommy John surgery in June. If and when Garland is dealt, it could be a good option to bring in a guy like Pavano with an incentive laden deal. Especially since by the time he will be potentially healthy, it would be the second half. With likely two young pitchers in the rotation, it'd be nice to have experience coming in to possibly help the young pitchers, in case they are fatigued and coming loose. Otherwise, he may be good trade bait for a team in need at that time of year, provided he's proved he's healthy.

So Arod hasn't been offered a $500 million dollar deal yet? Must be collusion...

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 9, 2007 -> 11:24 PM) Sweeney has no upside with no steroids So diagnose the poor guy with producing low testosterone levels, and get him going.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:42 PM) from Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal says that: "Yankees GM Brian Cashman says he doesn't expect the third-base market to develop quickly — and he figures to end up with better options than Crede for one year." Sure, but they'll be much more expensive. Cabrera is a great option, much better than Crede (especially when replacing Arod), but it's going to cost a lot more than an expiring outfielder (and cash) to get him. They're outfield is crowded up, but hey, if Crede is crap to them, I'm sure we can deal him somewhere else should we choose to.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:55 AM) 1 year left on his deal Still though, pitching is weak in FA. However, if guys like Santana, Kazmir, ect... become available as well, Garland's value would suffer. He'd still net a nice return though.

From the trib: They seem to believe the Crede for Damon deal will go down, but assume he will play CF, which I disagree with. They also believe we'll toss Garland in the mix because of the contract (no mention of the Yanks picking up cash) and receive a couple prospects in return. Needless to say, the trib may have a partial story here, but certainly have this going in the Yanks favor if they really believe this is how its going down.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 11:06 PM) This kinda half applies to us. You have to wonder what kind of package the Marlins would want, and whether the Yankees can pony it up. They have the talent, but I'm pretty certain they're going to be holding tight to their young pitching. You never know though, guys like Cabrera and Arod only become available every so often.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 09:21 PM) So it does. I somehow missed that. My apologies. All good, sometimes we do need reminders, so I appreciate you keeping me honest.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 09:17 PM) Again, please do not cut and paste articles without citation and/or links. It says Rotoworld...

Alex Rodriguez-3B- Yankees Nov. 5 - 2:11 pm et Rotoworld Alex Rodriguez isn't expected to be present at this week's GM meetings, but his agent, Scott Boras, will be. Rodriguez, who is reportedly telling close friends that he would like to play for the Red Sox, still can't discuss money with other teams until next week. Boras wouldn't want him to be in the room for face-to-face talks anyway. Boras is saying that he won't go public with any negotiations. "Any discussions as to the contract terms is between the teams and ourselves," Boras said. "It's clear for all of us that we're at the point now where we've got to do a lot of work with the teams involved and we're going to keep the information and dialogue with the clubs private and confidential as we go forward." Usually Boras is all about throwing out numbers and letting teams up the bids on themselves. Is it possible that there is a feeling out there that AROD isn't even close to what he expected to be offered thus far? To early to tell, but I'm sure Boras feels this is his biggest challenge yet...

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 04:34 AM) I'd take a whole lineup of Burrells. Man would it suck if a pitcher had Burrell's number that day...

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 02:17 AM) No, I'm not completely missing the point. I already explained to you how I look at the quotes, go back and look at it if you want. What does he want? I think he just wants out. But then, I'm not the mindreader you are. You think he's being a prima donna, fine. Go ahead. Please, Kenny, just trade him already. So we can get the week of BA-hate out of the way and move on to the innate championshipness of David Eckstein. If he wants out, that's fine. He'll have an easier time making it happen for himself by getting healthy and showing he can play. Otherwise his value is too low for the Sox to trade. As of now, he's a good insurance policy in case of an injury. I'm not a mind reader, just observant...

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 01:06 AM) You said from the GM. He never asked for that. I get tired of all the exaggerations. If there's one thing I feel pretty sure about, it's that they've both given up on each other. Given what happened in st, I believe the Sox gave up on him first. But at this point, it really doesn't matter. As for what he should "prove" -- if he knows he's not healthy, then he knows he'll perform badly. Why would you try to "prove" you can swing a bat when your wrist isn't right? It's not like he can merely "dig deep down" and will himself to perfect health. (Not everybody is as gifted as Darin Erstad.) I missed the part where he asked to be handed a starting job. Mind showing me that quote? Or are you referring to his refusal to compete for the job this past st? It's silly, the amount of bile spent on some players. Everyone wants him out, let's just get it over with. You're completely missing the point - and he mentioned front office personnel. Regardless, you're harping on bs, when the real issue his attitude. If he's not healthy, then don't play. But then don't sit there and whine about being asked to go, because it wasn't a Sox official telling you directly. And if he isn't healthy to play, and he isn't asked to be handed the starting job, what in the hell does he want? He wants a Sox offical to tell him that he's not healthy, hasn't earned to be called up, and because of it, he's not going to start in 08? That's what this whining is about?

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 11:28 PM) He never said he wanted personal phone calls from the GM. He said, "But I have to assume when a guy is somewhat in a team's plans and gets hurt, and his season is over, I would assume someone in the organization, front office-wise, would check up on you and give you a rundown for what their plans are for you." Considering the part in bold, I took it as, 'Look, I know you don't want me here.' He also hints at that in saying, "If someone wants to come and tell me something, I can handle it. If I can handle hitting .225 in the big leagues, I can handle getting news that's not too great about me." As for the rest, he's asking how it will benefit him, personally. ("It would be nice to talk to someone and find out why I'm going there and as to how it will benefit me.") That's not asking for "red carpet treatment". He's saying he doesn't know what his incentive is to go to winter ball. Honestly, I don't think he has any. If he doesn't want a personal phone call, what in the hell is he talking about? His agent already talked with the Sox, and his agent talked with him. He's made it clear that isn't goos enough for him. Maybe a personalized note would do the trick, but who knows? (SARCASM - just so everyone is clear) If he has no incentive to go to winter ball, then it is he who has given up on the organization, not the other way around. If he doesn't go, he does not prove he's healthy and he does not prove he has improved and is ready to be in the majors again. I'd say after what he's shown to date, he has a whole lot to prove. That's the benefit, here's a shot for him to prove it. He says he doesn't want to be treated like a 6 year old, but it sounds like that's exactly how he wants to be treated. He should understand what's going on, and dig deep down to get motivated to show what he has. If he doesn't, why would anyone hand him a starting job?

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 11:02 PM) As CWSGuy406 pointed out, I was talking about supernuke's post, not mine. When it's that obvious, green isn't needed. You said that even stars go to winter ball. My point is that it's much riskier for Anderson to go because he's not a star and he's injured. He wants a shot, it won't come here, why make yourself look worse than you are? The article does state that he's still recovering from the injury. Obviously his comments go beyond that. (I never said they didn't.) Feel free to interpret them however you like. I look at them differently. I'm sure he wants out pretty bad, and the Sox have held onto him for a year and a half without any intention of playing him again. Maybe he's trying to force their hand. You can look at that as whining, or just recognizing that the clock ticks fast for prospects. Next year is basically his last shot. Who wouldn't want to get out asap? I realize he's injured, but the point is about him whining, not whether he takes the assignment. And that injury has a lot to do with him not being called back up, so saying the Sox have not intended to play him is pure speculation, and as you say, I see things differently. I would want to get out and play for a non-contender too, in order to have another shot as a starter in CF. If the Sox pick up a FA, he obviously won't be in their plans in that capacity. Again though, this is not my argument. I'm merely disappointed with his comments, even if he is frustrated, because his complaints are not justified with his play or health. If you have a wrist injury and can't play winter ball, why are you talking about getting personal phone calls from the GM about his plans for you in 08? Get healthy, and show you can play. As it stands, how can he possibly believe he deserves the red carpet treatment?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 10:26 PM) . One thing to keep in mind with Brian Anderson is this was probably the first time he's ever failed at baseball. He most likely has always been a star and treated like royalty. Especially in basketball, its amazing how 7th and 8th grade kids are put on a shrine now. Then something goes wrong and they really don't know how to handle it. I think KW understands. He was a guy who was highly regarded, came in had a nice year as a 22 or 23 year old, stardom was predicted and he then couldn't hit. Up until that point, I really doubt KW had many failings in athletics in his life. I really don't think its as much an attitude problem as it is confusion and frustration as to why everything just hasn't worked out. You're probably right, I guess I'm just frustrated like him. I hope the guy gets another shot, and produces. As it looks though, he won't be the starting CF for the Sox. I'm not sure where we go from here with him...

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 10:08 PM) If his attitude is bad and he can't hit and he won't work on it, he's not going to get better so he should be released. But the White Sox aren't releasing him. Something tells me there's a little more to the story. The talent is there to possibly be a good MLB player, he just hasn't shown it yet. Releasing him would be a bad idea because he at least as some value in trade, even if it is a low level prospect or an addition in a larger deal. Maybe there's more, but going by what we in fact know, Anderson appears to be a whiner to me.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 10:01 PM) Supernuke's post looked to be -- quite clearly, might I add -- sarcasm. If you need green to distinguish that, I think WSI can use more people who bow at any and every decision the White Sox make. Well it's super you think so... As you may not have noticed, I'm not defending a White Sox move, but demonstrating my lack of enthusiasm to Anderson's comments. One isn't relevant to the other in this case.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 06:10 PM) Well then they should be consistent with all the players. Their best players should also be personally responsible for their shortcomings. Anderson is still not 100% physically, but why is everything his fault when in 2006 when Buerhle and Freddy Garcia were both pretty out of shape it wasn't their fault? Ozzie blamed Allen Thomas. Of course, it wasn't Thomas' fault that Uribe was fat, but I digress. Blame Anderson for a bad 2006, but I blame the White Sox for setting him up to fail, with no reasonable back up plan. Telling him that they don't care what he hits, then crying that he's not hitting.They had no back up plan. As for all the talk that he was a bad teammate, I seem to recall that when AJ got sucker punched, the 2 players that had his back the most were Pods who was right on the play, but I still give him credit, and Brian Anderson. We here all the "inside info" about Anderson watching TV not working on improving, he's a bad teammate etc. If that is 100% accurate, what is he still doing in the organization? The big difference between those guys and Anderson is that they have performed at the MLB level. Setting him up to fail? Was Josh Fields set up to fail? Was Crede, Garland, MB, Rowand... Rowand was sent down twice, and he stayed resilient. What's Anderson's deal? I liked him sticking up for AJ as well, but when that's your best argument to bring him up to the majors, we had better start getting into some major brawls in 08.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 3, 2007 -> 02:11 PM) He said his wrist isn't 100% yet. If he goes to winter ball and bombs, injury or no, he'll have a more difficult time getting a look from another team. Since he obviously isn't in the plans for the Sox, that has to be his primary goal. So why would he go before he's healthy? Btw, you really need to learn how to recognize sarcasm. Was it written in green, or do I know the writer personally or something? You really need to learn how to communicate sarcasm. In any case, he's not complaining about being healthy, he's complaining about being sent down, not being called up, and being told to go to winter ball without a personal visit from KW, Ozzie, and JR with some flowers and *** kissing about how great they think he is, despite his inability to hit the ball.

QUOTE(supernuke @ Nov 1, 2007 -> 09:44 PM) Well maybe it's not his fault. Maybe Ozzie and KW should have scheduled weekly meetings with him to keep him informed of their plans for him. I'm sure that would have helped him. Damn KW and Ozzie, not making enough time for this budding superstar. At what age does a man need to be responsible for his own actions? If someone struggles and is too proud to ask for help, how receptive is he going to be when you offer it? The Sox seemed prepared to offer him the help anyhow, and he is b****ing about winter ball. I mean, we have super stars playing winter ball, and this guy thinks he's beyond it.