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My first thoughts after I heard this was that the market is not what they thought it was for him. The Yankees are probably still the only team that can afford him, besides the Red Sox who probably sign Lowell. The Angels don't want to pay a player double to that of Vlad, although the Dodgers are still a possibility though I suppose. They are probably pushing harder for Cabrera. Cabrera screwed this market up for him...

QUOTE(BaseballNick @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 08:50 PM) Kalapse, I normally agree with about 99.99% of everything you write, but what about the way the White Sox have drafted would make you want a second or third round draft choice over a proven bullpen arm? Our bullpen was awful last year, and for the most part, our early round draft choices haven't exactly been "can't miss" prospects. If you can help the team now by signing a pitcher at the expense of a 2nd or 3rd rounder, I say do it. Agreed, in fact, it may allow the Sox to take a larger gamble on their number 1 pick, and have the money to sign him with the savings.

Way to high jack the thread and make this about Chris Young. Who gives a ****? At this stage of the game, I've moved on, and I'm happy we have Vazquez. You make Vazquez available in this market, and see what you get back. I bet it's a boat load...

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 04:03 AM) To be fair, Vazquez isn't exactly making the league minimum. That's the point, if you have Young you'd have to spend to replace Javy, especially considering we had less options, at the time of the trade, with pitching depth in the system than we do now. So you would either be spending on a CF, like we're doing, or spending on a starting pitcher, which in this market, could be more expensive with less bang for your buck. Very little quality pitching on the market...

QUOTE(BearSox @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 03:49 AM) Just curious, but if the Sox get Hunter and have a LF of one (or two) of Owens/Stewart/Crisp, that would be an all black OF. Now, when was the last time Chicago had an all black OF? I actually thought about that as well, and I don't know the answer to that, but I remember Dye being the only one on the team for a while.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 14, 2007 -> 03:59 AM) With seeing all these ridiculous contracts, can I get state that the Chris Young trade really hurt this franchise. I'll shut up now and take the criticism. Criticism is that the team would then have to spend the money for starting pitcher vs. a CF.

I like Crisp in LF and Hunter in CF if possible. Pretty good defensive outfield...

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 13, 2007 -> 12:33 AM) I'm just wary of giving up our 3 main young pieces for Miggy. Don't get me wrong he's a great player. But couldn't we just try to target him when he hits FA? And if you make that deal, you pretty much HAVE to deal Garland, just for payroll purposes, and that will make our rotation weaker. He's a couple years from FA, he's just getting expensive. That's why the Marlins may be parting ways. It was pretty much between him or Willis, and they are leaning towards keeping Willis around for at least the beginning part of next year to prove his down year was a fluke.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) Pavano would cost the league minimum. We don't need to pay for incentives, and you forgot to point out, HE SUCKS. He pitched well in Florida, and he began to suck when in NY, where you forget to point out he was injured. I'm not saying he's great, but I'd sign him to a minor league deal no problem.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 10:13 PM) I'd rather take the one year flyer on Garcia or Colon. Me too, but they figure to be more expensive.

QUOTE(knightni @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 08:48 PM) Yep. Andy Gonzalez. My guess would be Owens to add to the speed factor.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 11, 2007 -> 08:20 PM) And when Crede confirms he's not entirely healthy or useful with the bat? Andy Gonzalez at 3B. You would certainly have the option of moving Cabrera there, and finding a new LF.

Per Rotoworld: Carl Pavano-S-Yankees Nov. 11 - 1:26 pm et The Yankees could release Carl Pavano in order to open up a spot on the 40-man roster, says the New York Post. The club could be facing a roster crunch by the time their winter dealing is over, in no small part because they've given major league contracts to Juan Miranda and 2007 first-rounder Andrew Brackman over the last year. Pavano, finally entering the final year of his four-year, $39.95 million contract, is expected to miss at least the first half of the season following Tommy John surgery in June. If and when Garland is dealt, it could be a good option to bring in a guy like Pavano with an incentive laden deal. Especially since by the time he will be potentially healthy, it would be the second half. With likely two young pitchers in the rotation, it'd be nice to have experience coming in to possibly help the young pitchers, in case they are fatigued and coming loose. Otherwise, he may be good trade bait for a team in need at that time of year, provided he's proved he's healthy.

So Arod hasn't been offered a $500 million dollar deal yet? Must be collusion...

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 9, 2007 -> 11:24 PM) Sweeney has no upside with no steroids So diagnose the poor guy with producing low testosterone levels, and get him going.

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:42 PM) from Fox Sports Ken Rosenthal says that: "Yankees GM Brian Cashman says he doesn't expect the third-base market to develop quickly — and he figures to end up with better options than Crede for one year." Sure, but they'll be much more expensive. Cabrera is a great option, much better than Crede (especially when replacing Arod), but it's going to cost a lot more than an expiring outfielder (and cash) to get him. They're outfield is crowded up, but hey, if Crede is crap to them, I'm sure we can deal him somewhere else should we choose to.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 6, 2007 -> 05:55 AM) 1 year left on his deal Still though, pitching is weak in FA. However, if guys like Santana, Kazmir, ect... become available as well, Garland's value would suffer. He'd still net a nice return though.

From the trib: They seem to believe the Crede for Damon deal will go down, but assume he will play CF, which I disagree with. They also believe we'll toss Garland in the mix because of the contract (no mention of the Yanks picking up cash) and receive a couple prospects in return. Needless to say, the trib may have a partial story here, but certainly have this going in the Yanks favor if they really believe this is how its going down.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 11:06 PM) This kinda half applies to us. You have to wonder what kind of package the Marlins would want, and whether the Yankees can pony it up. They have the talent, but I'm pretty certain they're going to be holding tight to their young pitching. You never know though, guys like Cabrera and Arod only become available every so often.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 09:21 PM) So it does. I somehow missed that. My apologies. All good, sometimes we do need reminders, so I appreciate you keeping me honest.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 5, 2007 -> 09:17 PM) Again, please do not cut and paste articles without citation and/or links. It says Rotoworld...

Alex Rodriguez-3B- Yankees Nov. 5 - 2:11 pm et Rotoworld Alex Rodriguez isn't expected to be present at this week's GM meetings, but his agent, Scott Boras, will be. Rodriguez, who is reportedly telling close friends that he would like to play for the Red Sox, still can't discuss money with other teams until next week. Boras wouldn't want him to be in the room for face-to-face talks anyway. Boras is saying that he won't go public with any negotiations. "Any discussions as to the contract terms is between the teams and ourselves," Boras said. "It's clear for all of us that we're at the point now where we've got to do a lot of work with the teams involved and we're going to keep the information and dialogue with the clubs private and confidential as we go forward." Usually Boras is all about throwing out numbers and letting teams up the bids on themselves. Is it possible that there is a feeling out there that AROD isn't even close to what he expected to be offered thus far? To early to tell, but I'm sure Boras feels this is his biggest challenge yet...

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 04:34 AM) I'd take a whole lineup of Burrells. Man would it suck if a pitcher had Burrell's number that day...

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 02:17 AM) No, I'm not completely missing the point. I already explained to you how I look at the quotes, go back and look at it if you want. What does he want? I think he just wants out. But then, I'm not the mindreader you are. You think he's being a prima donna, fine. Go ahead. Please, Kenny, just trade him already. So we can get the week of BA-hate out of the way and move on to the innate championshipness of David Eckstein. If he wants out, that's fine. He'll have an easier time making it happen for himself by getting healthy and showing he can play. Otherwise his value is too low for the Sox to trade. As of now, he's a good insurance policy in case of an injury. I'm not a mind reader, just observant...

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 4, 2007 -> 01:06 AM) You said from the GM. He never asked for that. I get tired of all the exaggerations. If there's one thing I feel pretty sure about, it's that they've both given up on each other. Given what happened in st, I believe the Sox gave up on him first. But at this point, it really doesn't matter. As for what he should "prove" -- if he knows he's not healthy, then he knows he'll perform badly. Why would you try to "prove" you can swing a bat when your wrist isn't right? It's not like he can merely "dig deep down" and will himself to perfect health. (Not everybody is as gifted as Darin Erstad.) I missed the part where he asked to be handed a starting job. Mind showing me that quote? Or are you referring to his refusal to compete for the job this past st? It's silly, the amount of bile spent on some players. Everyone wants him out, let's just get it over with. You're completely missing the point - and he mentioned front office personnel. Regardless, you're harping on bs, when the real issue his attitude. If he's not healthy, then don't play. But then don't sit there and whine about being asked to go, because it wasn't a Sox official telling you directly. And if he isn't healthy to play, and he isn't asked to be handed the starting job, what in the hell does he want? He wants a Sox offical to tell him that he's not healthy, hasn't earned to be called up, and because of it, he's not going to start in 08? That's what this whining is about?