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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) Seriously, how can anyone read the Grand Jury Report and think Joe Paterno doesn't need to be fired... regardless if he "reported" what he knew. F*cking page 2 talks of Sandusky bringing a child to Penn State practice sometime after 2007. Yup, and even though Paterno knew of Sandusky's perverted, disgusting acts of the past, he did nothing to PROECT A HELPLESS CHILD. Give me a f***ing break. Note the dates below, as they happen well after 1998, when Joe Paterno undoubtedly had knowledge of Sandusky's evil ways. That's just blatant disregard for that poor kid's safety. JoePa knows, with absolutely no doubt, that Sandusky rapes and molests little boys. Oh, but he reported the past incident, so it's not HIS problem. He has to focus on coaching football, after all. But yes, poor Joe Paterno. He just wants to coach football. These innocent children he carelessly enabled that monster Sandusky to associate with... well, that's not his fault. He didn't DO IT. The media are the true monsters here, making Joe Paterno seem like some sort of asshole who has no problem with the rape of children. Remember... "beat Nebraska!" The man held a pep rally on his f***ing lawn today. F*ck him. lol. Welcome to the conversation. We all think he should be fired/resign.

I was gonna bounce from this thread. But Steve, you're full of s***. You always got something smart to say when I don't agree with you over non-sports related topics. You're a sheep. I'm not insensitive to the situation at hand. Abuse of a child is sickening. I can look at certain situations from every angle. Now unless it comes out that Joe Paterno had direct knowledge that abuse was taking place, I stand by what I've said. I don't give a s*** who agrees with me or not. That doesn't concern me. Save all your speculation. Yes, I've read the GJ report. And there's nothing that suggests, IMO, he knew first-hand of what was talking place. If anything, the dude was a f***ing moron and naive. Not a role-playing perpetrator of sexual abuse of children.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 02:03 PM) That's exactly what we want. Period. Cool. Then we agree. If that's all. But to me, and I'm not saying this is the case with you in particular, there's some that seem to want a lot more than him simply losing his job.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) The media are exploitative vultures and ESPN is a godless monster. Can we get back to discussing why Joe Paterno doing literally the bare minimum he could in a case involving first-hand accounts of child rape is somehow ok? He's not innocent. He deserves to be fired. What else do you want? Jail time? If so, then that loud sound you here at the moment is me hysterically LMAO.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) You of all people saying this is the height of irony. And seeing how flippant you are with this whole situation is very bothersome to me. Care to elaborate? Because I have no idea what you're talking about. 95% of my posts here are White Sox, Bears, Bulls or other sports related topics. The drunk thread every now and then and just random non-serious topics. I don't touch the sensitive topics (filibuster) most of the time because, well, people are just too damn sensitive. Best example being the Gordon Beckham gay thread when it became me vs Soxtalk because I didn't give the PC response to having a gay son.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Possibly not the best choice of words given the case at hand. Well then go ahead and delete the post. That's not how I meant it but we know how sensitive you get.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) Should the media not be reporting this? Should they ignore or downplay that a well-known coach was involved in the supposed investigations and reporting of the abuse? The media makes money off of stories; the bigger the story, the more money that make. That doesn't mean they shouldn't cover big stories or important issues because it is also in their own self-interest to do so. Nobody said cover the s*** up. The media has a job to do and I respect that to a degree. Forget about Soxtalk at the moment. This is the biggest story (sports wise) going on right now. And Paterno is getting reamed. And it's unfair and easy for people sitting behind a computer to cast permanent judgement.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) Someone who is credible, knows the accused (reliable ID) and has no motivations to make this story up. There are plenty of problems with eye-witness testimony, but not when you have an unmotivated person who knows the accused saying what they saw. I actually misread that sentence. They were referring to his statement. So disregard that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 01:08 PM) They are referring to the statement not the witness. Did you read the Grand Jury report yet? I have. What's your point? Paterno already said in hindsight he wished he had taken a different approach.

What the hell is a "powerful" eyewitness.? lol. Did you see it happen or not? Again, the media doing what they do best.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) Legally, no. (I know Rock disagrees). You could follow up on very serious allegations of child rape from someone you've coached and now work with. There's no "tough talk" in saying that he should have made sure this issue was taken seriously. He absolutely should be demonized for allowing a child molester to go unpunished and uninvestigated for years, leading to abuse of more victims. Again, too trusting? Naive? Maybe a little denial? Certainly. Other than that, no. Joe Paterno is not on my top 10 list for most hated human being on the planet.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 12:46 PM) He met his minimum legal obligations and did nothing else. Nothing called for him to do anything else at the time. Yeah, you could go out there and possibly sever somebody's reputation for life based off of second-hand information. He didn't go that route. And I don't think he should be demonized for that. We all on the internet like to act big and bad and "this is what I would've done" and talk tough or whatever. Not tha vanilla.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Sandusky admitted molesting a child to the police and they did nothing themselves! But we're going to persecute Paterno more for not telling the police, than the actual police, who were told by the criminal himself and did nothing! How is that not the bigger story here? I don't care if he loses his job; it's time for him to move on anyways. And honestly, it's probably good for us as a society that the shortcomings of these godlike figures on college campuses are being brought to light, because maybe it will open their eyes to the fact that these are just people, capable of making mistakes just like the rest of us. But of course right now, everyone else feels the need to stand up and tell the world how much of a "moral failure" Joe Paterno is, and how we all would have risen to the occasion and handled the situation perfectly. We're all also qualified to damn Paterno to hell, since the media and the rest of us commentators are all such "moral superstars." Give me a break. Easy. Paterno is easily the most famous of those in question. Therefore the bigger story. It's really that simple.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) I am not usually a fan of the way the media handles a lot of things, but I'm glad they're not taking the childish approach that you are. Yes, because the media doesn't try to sensationalize EVERYTHING.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) C'mon, add something to the conversation. This is just derailing the argument. He did his due diligence at the time that has been deemed appropriate. Yeah, in total hindsight he should've done more. But it's not nearly as black and white as some are making it out to be.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 12:33 PM) Oh f***in please. This asshole heard about children being taken advantage of and literally did the bare f***in minimum and just ignored it from there on out. f*** him. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 12:33 PM) He failed to take allegations of child rape seriously and was complicit in those allegations being swept under the rug for almost a decade, allowing additional abuse to occur to more victims. I don't think he supported rape or didn't find Sandusky's actions disgusting. I think he simply didn't care because he was too self-interested. I don't give a s*** what he heard. "Hey Boss, I heard from somebody the other day that Rowand44 was dry-humping a 10-year old." I'm not sprinting over to the police station over some s*** like that.

This just in: Joe Paterno is now more hated than Osama Bin Laden. GMAB. He might've been a little too trusting (of people he had every right to put trust in) and naive, but a villain/demon who supports rape? lol.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 8, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) I hate to give a reliever that many years for that money, but Madson has been pretty consistent over the last 5 seasons in between the 8th & 9th innings. Phillies haven't don't too much wrong over the last half decade. But this and the ridiculous Howard extension, well, suck.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 7, 2011 -> 11:30 AM) He has a Viciedo-like follow-through. He apparently plays a pretty mean CF. Looks like the Nationals have been probing him for a couple years now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 08:57 PM) Hultzen is very impressive How did Cole look?

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Nov 5, 2011 -> 07:14 PM) Wait I thought Thome was going to retire and be the White Sox hitting coach? I am not convinced that Thome can play first base. And a NL team cannot afford to give a roster spot to a guy who really only can pinch hit. Don't the Phillies know this? Phillies need a left-handed bat who plays 1B? We have one of those. Do they want Adam Dunn in a trade? lol! Actually, an NL team is ideal for a guy that will primarily be a pinch-hitter. And Thome will get plenty of run with Howard out to start '12. lol!

Who cares about uniforms It's all about the W. just win, baby. Go, Ozzie.

This thread is rather suspect. Almost as suspect as the time a few weeks ago at this bar I was at and a random dude hugged me. I was too drunk to react.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 4, 2011 -> 11:34 AM) Some quotes (I may be off) "We're going to swing until it's not a ball" srry: we're going to swing until it's a ball? i don't know about this quote, couldn't hear. "Any statistics we bring up are a by product of a good at bat" "Do we want adam dunn taking a ball off the plate with a man on third and justin verlander pitching?" "why wouldn't you want that" "It sets up a double play, he can drive that run in...it's not going to be a high scoring play anyway" seems like this is over...but yeah..........sigh Jeff Manto, ladies and gentlemen. A proven Pirates reject. We need more Theo talk. At least that doesn't put me to sleep.

QUOTE (MAX @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) At least one person agrees with me. Green?