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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:58 PM) We've already discussed this ad-nauseum in the past, but you have to assume if Russell came around nowadays, he'd be able to train around the clock and have modern facilities and nutrition available. You can't compare the eras, only how players played compared to their direct competition. Eddy Curry could probably be time warped back to the 60s and skull-f*** everyone, but that's not fair to the eras. And I gave Russell an extra 25 pounds with modern training. His individual offensive game sucked even back then. So it's not getting any better today. And I fail to see how even a souped up Russell would stand-out in the 21st century. Would he be a scrub? No. He'd be Mutombo.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) You could say the same thing for any sport. Guys in the 20's couldn't throw a slider, curve, splitter, or cutter. Football didn't use the forward pass way back when and yet QB's from the old days are still considered amongst the greats. Can't have it both ways. I understand what you're saying. But apply that when doing all-time rankings (not saying you're doing that). Bill Russell, for some reason, is viewed as a top 6 player of all-time. I don't think so. Players unequivocally better/greater than Bill Russell: MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Kareem, Moses, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Erving, West, Robertson and a few others I'm probably forgetting about.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) I only endorse the first part of this post. Bird and Dirk are highly similar players. They're basically the same as scorers and neither is a stellar athlete. Bird was a way better passer and slightly better rebounder, Dirk commits a lot less turnovers because he doesn't handle the ball. I'd happily take my chances with Bird. Russell doesn't have nearly the bulk of Mutombo and though he wasn't great at that end had way more of an offensive game than Wallace. I'd say he's more like Josh Smith with exponentially higher basketball IQ. I really don't want to turn this into a 4-page debate (we might have done that before), so I'll leave it at that. Zoom: Dirk is a better shooter, had a better post-game, better ball-handler and better at getting to the basket. Rebounding comparison is miniscule at best. Yes, Bird was a better passer. Can't deny that. But when you get over the whole, "Bird and Magic saved the NBA" made for TV movie. It's easy to see that Dirk is the better player.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) Yup. Sorry. When I see Russell > Shaq or Hakeem I want to throw up. That literally makes me sick. Yes, I get the generation gaps. I'm lookin' at skillset. There's nothing Russell did back then that stands out to me. Back then it was 8 teams, two rounds of playoffs and lame competition. Some guys (Wilt) would be dominant in any era. Not Russell, though.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) The only way to judge historical players is in the context of their generation, and in his, Bill Russell was a stud. He was great for his time. A time when the league was in its infancy. But I still can't find anybody that can tell me the difference between he and somebody like prime Ben Wallace. Other than the 11 rings. Which is dumb.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) And Babe Ruth was a fat drunk f***. You cant compare old school players to today's players. There is a reason that old houses have tiny doorways, people have changed quite a bit. Old school is like the 80's. The 50's and 60's were when dinosaurs were still roaming the earth. Babe Ruth? Another bi-product of his time. I'd think he'd be great in any era. But that era? Entire teams hit like 60 HRs. If that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) thats my only beef. Russell was built like Chris Sale. That was ok in the 60's. Now even if you added 20-25 pounds of muscle to his physique with modern training, he still wouldn't stand out in the modern game like he did back then. Those 11 rings have blinded just about everybody.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 19, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Anyway, i said this last year and I'll say it again: you drink too much Who's better than LeBron? Bird couldn't dream of doing the things in today's game that Dirk does. And yes, Bill Russell is the most overrated player in NBA history.

Zoom knows his hoops. Anyway, I said this last year and I'll say it again: LeBron is still the best overall player in the game. Dirk > Bird. And Bill Russell = Ben Wallace or Dikembe Mutombo.

Q has become Jordan and Victory/Marty have become the Cavs and Knicks.

Rangers should take this series rather easily based on talent. But the Cardinals were 10 1/2 games out of wildcard contention as late as August 28th. Now they're in the World Series. So I expect them to fluke/luck their way to another title. Ala 2006.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 18, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) I can see the possibility of a pitcher being traded. I am not sold on considering Quentin and Floyd/Danks as overkill on the roster as the esteemed Balta has posted. I also do not believe that Stewart is ready and what he did with pitching that one-hit masterpeice is just tease us. He was not that good otherwise. He needs time. Fans are to quick to annoint someone like Viciedo, Stewart, Axelrod, et al, the new starter at their respective positions based on a very small sample size. I remind you that as good as we all want to believe Viciedo is or can be he hit only one homer and drove in five runs in his time with the Sox. Many thought he woud power us to the top in no time at all in 2011. I would hope we keep our best performers and not rely on Rios for example of count on Jake Peavy to rebound and be the Cy Young winner he once was. I am not convinved that trading our better players, or our strength if you will, for someone elses possible prospects is going to do it for us. Possibly signing some mid level or role players that are free agents might make more sense. Of course the argument will be that we don't have the money. I just don't buy into the argument that we need wholesale change. Seems that if we do that it is a more a panic move or knee jerk reaction to one bad season for a number of players. I prefer to keep our own better players instead of trading them of and starting over again. lol

QUOTE (sunofgold @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) Yeah, this going to be tough. But remember Edwin usual is either really good or really bad. Cards need good Edwin to show up. I am rooting for the Cards in this one. Enough ex-White Sox factors in there: Edwin Jackson, Tony LaRussa, Dotel. And Cubs' nemesis! And would like to see a STL-MIL series rematch. Just like '82. lol! Oh wait they are in the same league. nevermind! haha! OK, this is bulls*** now. Elrockin clearly has two accounts and is being f***ing ridiculous. This needs to be dealt (did I spell that right) with or I will create 40 new accounts and wreak havoc.

No, elrockin. He's all but gone.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 02:02 PM) Heck yeah and the company is named KW-DUNN ME RIOSWRONG And it didn't take me that long to think of that line either That's pretty obvious.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 08:41 AM) Good point. I think we have a legal obligation to report this. And I did just that. I couldn't in good conscious let this horrendous atrocity continue. I might have kids someday. In fact, I'll provide transcripts of my conversation: DCFS: Department of Children and Family Services, this is Agnus, how may I assist you today? Me: Yes, I would like to report some continuous abuse that I've been observing for the last few weeks. Agnus: Ok, Sir. Can I get your first and last name, please? Me: My name is Jordan4life. Agnus: Jordanforlife? Me: Yes Agnus: OK, sir...can I get your date of birth? Me: 4-1-83 Agnus: OK, sir, go right on ahead and tell me what's going on. Me: Yes, there's this gentleman that goes by the name of Quinarvy. And I've observed him repeatedly, I mean at will, abusing another person, I'm assuming a 12-year old child, by the name of VictoryMC98. Agnus: So you say the two parties in question go by the name of Quinarvy and VictoriMC98? Me: That is correct. Agnus: OK, continue. Me: This has been happening every day for weeks now. I don't really know this Quinarvy guy. But this seems to be, like, deliberate and elaborate on his part. Like he's personally picked this child out. You know, like a predator or a big anaconda that stalks its prey? I've never seen anything like it before. Agnus: Wow, this does sound serious. Me: Yes, I know. I'm a hard-working american citizen. I don't smoke or drink. I'm totally against sex before marriage. I go to Church every Monday, Friday and Sunday. I could no longer look at myself in the mirror and no that such domination was talking place in which one human being was, just, I mean, I can't even explain it. Have you ever seen Roots? Agnus: Roots? I don't think I have. Me: Well, in this film, the lead darkie or black guy, gets his foot chopped off when he tries to escape. That's how severe of ownage this is. Agnus: OK, sir. I really appreciate you coming forward. I need you to go a little more into detail now. This might be hard. But I'm going to need some graphic details as I type up this report. Me: That's what I'm here for. OK, there's this message board by the name of Soxtalk. Agnus: Soxtalk? Me: Yes, Soxtalk. Just a bunch of White Sox fans that converge together and discuss the team. And this guy, who I'm assuming is a child, just kinda comes out of nowhere the last month or so and starts postin' jibberish. Like he's trying to impose his will on the board. Agnus: Jibberish? Me: That's basically slang for bulls***. Agnus: I see. Are you sure Victory is a minor? Me: You wouldn't even ask that if you had observed his writings. And quinarvy just abuses him, you know, intellectually. Like you know how they say never bring a knife to a gun fight? Victory apparently doesn't understand that and for some reason tries to challenge Quinarvy even though he's just not equipped. Agnus: Ok, sir. Now when did you observe the physical abuse? Me: Physical? I didn't say that. This is message board abuse. Just one poster clearly getting the best of another. Abuse is abuse, right? Agnus: Wait, you called DCFS up to report message board abuse? Me: I felt it was my duty. Agnus: OK, sir. Can you hold please? Me: No problem ***About 5 minutes goes by*** ***Really loud banging on the door*** Inaudible - Inaudible Police: Open up! You're being charged with filing a fake abuse report! Call abruptly ends

I'm about to call DCFS on Q. I cannot stand by and allow him to continuously rape/molest/sodomize Victory. That would make me a monster.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) How is that any different than what you "accused" me of? You're not fooling anybody. Your agenda is rather clear: Ozzie is god. KW sucks. What you're implying about me makes no sense. If I just wanted to b****, I'd 'secretly' be fine with Sale in the bullpen. Therefore I can just b**** and b**** and b****.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:51 PM) I took a disliking to them when they ran over us in 08 and their fans don't even care enough to sell out their park come playoff time so SCREW THEM!!! I understand reason #1. Reason#2 makes no sense at all. But you're entitled to your viewpoint.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) By this standard you will be praying that Sale is a failure in the starting rotation. Yes, I'm just pretending when I state how critical it is Sale becomes a rotation fixture. Don't compare me to you, greg and troll boy.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:39 PM) Screw you Tampa!!! lol. How can you possibly hate Tampa?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:36 PM) If the Yankees lose to the Tigers they won't be allowed to wait on Hamels/Cain. How so? They lost out on Lee after losing to the Rangers last year and did nothing. From what I can gather, they're not trading any of their top guys (Montero, Sanchez, Betances, Banuelos) for anybody not named Felix Hernandez or Clayton Kershaw.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:28 PM) Wow, so Victory, Marty and Greg are all on the same page. Shocker You know all three are praying the Sox go '03 Tigers next year. That way they'll be vindicated.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 03:45 PM) I wonder if the Yankees would accept a Danks for Gardener deal? They will be in a desperate need for pitching this offseason and im sure they can just replace Gardener on the free agent market somewhere. I think they're going to wait for Hamels/Cain to hit FA. They didn't bite on Greinke or Ubaldo, the latter on an extremely team-friendly contract. I can't see them doing so for Danks.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:16 PM) This is just absurd. Yeah, that's pretty bad.