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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 06:19 PM) And he's the best Sox writer out there, professional or otherwise. Hogwash. Scott Merkin is easily the best. In fact, I can give you the headliner for his next five articles: "Adam Dunn is out to prove the critics wrong; has plenty left in the tank." "Alex Rios to be the next Matt Kemp?" "Jake Peavy's heart and soul finally ready to wreak havoc on AL Central foes." "Gordon Beckham says his spirit is alive and kicking." "Ozzie did it his second year, why not Robin in '12?"

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) DKnobler DKnobler Rays seem dead-set against trading Shields. They might listen on Hellickson before they listen on Shields (very unlikely they trade either) 6 minutes ago I can't believe that Shield's won't be on the market . . . lmao@they might deal Hellickson, who's multiple years away from arbitration, and dead-set against trading Shields, who's making, what, $9 million next year and more after that? Edit: I think it's $7.5 million Shields will make next year.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) I was absolutely sure that you just messed up the word. I've never heard of that movie. If you hate terrorists, you'll love it. I just love violence. I don't care what the situation is.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) Unbreakable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unthinkable You haven't seen this? I recommend it. Samuel makes the whole movie, IMO.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) Where is the love for Lillibridge? Please stop.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 09:41 AM) But what we're not all in agreement on is why a most-likely walk is necessarily better than your best hitter taking a walk and bringing up your next hitter, who in all likelihood, creates a significant dropoff in expected results... This I can agree with. You can make good arguments either way. But I'll never view a walk as bad or useless. Isn't that Dusty Baker smack?

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 09:39 AM) When it opened first base and the team walked Konerko, you know that half the board went nuts. Well, this team has greatly underachieved for three years. And having a very bad manager was part of that.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 09:34 AM) Then why did so many people complain when Ozzie called for a sac bunt in front of Konerko? A team full of bad bunters outside of Pierre? Situations that didn't really call for a bunt? It's the AL? There's a lot of reasons. I don't see what this has to do with a walk ever being useless.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 09:20 AM) I get what Manto is trying to say. I really think people are oversimplifying it to demonize him. The object of a baseball game is to get more runs than the other team. More hits or walks doesn't win a game. It helps, but it doesn't determine it alone. Wanting a guy to concentrate on driving in runs versus the most passive attempt of just getting on base is two different mentalities. I agree I would rather have the guy trying to drive the runner in from third, versus just getting on base. I honestly believe with that mentality would benefit a team that has struggled for years to bring home runners from third with less than two outs. Yes, we're all in agreement that you'd rather have the guy knock in the run. Jake said a walk with RISP and two outs is useless. No. A K or a popup is useless.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 07:44 AM) holy crap the coverage of this thing is not slowing down The SCORE covered it for an hour and a half this morning No hoops. Hockey? Yuck. Bears talk usually gets going Thursday through Saturday. And the White Sox just signed Jeff Manto. It's somewhat understandable.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 09:12 AM) If it doesn't lead to a run? Yes. Getting on base is never useless.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 08:36 AM) Not going to read all the posts, but...good job Manto. Think of all the times when Dunn/Rios would walk with that man on third and two outs, or something equally useless when we needed a hit. Under no circumstance is a walk "useless." That's ridiculous.

S.W.A.T., Lakeview Terrace and Unthinkable are a few of my favorites. Samuel L. is the s***. He doesn't have to be the lead to make an impact.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 06:15 PM) Which is funny, because if you compared the two franchises on August 29, their recent history the last 6-7 seasons has been very, very similar. Of course, what happened over the last two months changes that. The Cardinals have been in the postseason 5 times, 3 WS appearances and two titles since '04. No comparison.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) Now this is horses***. This same argument has been made by several of us regarding the White Sox, and you've dismissed it out of hand. It has? I must've missed it. As there is no comparison between the two franchises.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:04 PM) Pointing out the circular logic of people's arguments and that MLB experience as a manager is overrated and unnecessary? Probably not since I dont care about the Cubs as much as the Sox. Yet one of the premier GMs in sports was hired on the other side of town and you've made it your mission to mock it. " well, it's the Cubs. This has to suck."

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) You're taking this analogy incredibly literally. The point is that he's going from a nobody in the organization to possibly the third most powerful member in the franchise hierarchy. Now, I'm sure you'll mention that each specific stock holder has sway over him or some s***, but I'm fairly certain you and everyone reading this gets the point. QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 04:57 PM) Then perhaps McEwing should be the bench coach instead of the do-nothing job of 3B coach. And I'm not sure who said Parent has no experience at all. It's been said that he has no major league experience, which a bench coach should probably have when his manager has absolutely no managing experience whatsoever. Let it go. If the Cubs had hired Ventura, Rock would be singing a totally different tune.

Must've been a really down year defensively for catchers. But Wieters will win this. Otherwise I will severely punish myself by watching hockey.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:08 PM) 6th in ERA, 5th in WHIP that year, and that's while playing in a cavern. GMAB. Verlander's stuff would play anywhere. And even if he reverted back to '09 numbers he's still by far and away the best pitcher in the central.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) So you want to tell me again how Verlander is going to maintain that .236 BABIP? He probably won't. That wasn't my point. '09 Justin Verlander is still pretty much a top 3 pitcher in the AL.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) There is a huge difference between the 1.15 WHIP/3.45 ERA he put up in 2009/2010 and the 0.92 WHIP/2.40 ERA he put up in 2011. It's called BABIP. .319 and .286 in '09 and '10. .236 last year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:36 PM) You should know better than to count things as firm before they actually are. The Rangers are likely to lose CJ this offseason, that will leave them more reliant on Harrison and other youth in their rotation, which is always a risk. Then there's Cruz and Hamilton staying healthy. And like it or not, Verlander probably just showed you what a "Peak season" looks like...and they had other very helpful things like great years from Avila and Peralta. Last year, I'd say 2/3 of this board would have agreed that the Twins were the team to beat in the Central. It shifted just that fast. I thought the Rangers were toast after losing Lee. That obviously wasn't the case. They've got money and a strong farm. They get the benefit of the doubt as far as I'm concerned. So you're saying Verlander is going to fall off or something? Even if '11 was his "peak" year, the guy has been god-like for a while now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) whitesox Chicago White Sox Jeff Manto: If you look at the staff makeup, we're all the same type of players. We're all grinders. I want this word removed from the English language. Or at the very least it should be filtered.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) I think we'll see it in 2013. Maybe they feel they have to strike while the iron is hot. The Yankees and Red Sox have pitching issues that they aren't going to be able to fix this offseason. If you want to win the AL, you have to do it when the two powers are down. Problem with that is the two powers in the AL currently are not the Yankees and Red Sox. The Rays and Rangers are. And Detroit is still a lot better than us with money to spend this offseason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) With all due respect, I've given up on this current regime investing in the draft. Even if they had saved nearly 4 million with Frasor, there's no way it was going towards the draft. I know. But I can't help but perpetually b**** about it. What pisses me off is that Team Ozzie is going to get exactly what they wanted. Ozzie was a problem. Not the problem. And we're going to see this starting next year.