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QUOTE (joeynach @ Jan 28, 2011 -> 02:46 PM) I just threw up reading this list! Is it possible to die from embarrassment? That's what I feel when I read that list. We may as well just shut our minor leagues down. At least the pitching side. Pathetic.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 08:07 PM) That's all well and good, but I think the debate really hinges on the value of defense. Through all the new metrics coming out, I think defense went from vastly underrated to a tad overrated. That seems to be how it goes I guess. Not sure if I agree or not. I'm just saying going by metrics alone is worthless. I've seen plenty of Andrus and Escobar and both are special in the field.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 09:57 PM) Yep. I was expecting a slot around the 40's, but then I remembered it was Keith Law, so my hopes of seeing Morel anywhere in the top 100 were low. Even if he's destined to be a reliever? If that's what Law thinks I can totally understand the ranking. You're simply not supposed to invest high-end picks on eventual relievers.

Norberto Martin was basically a light-hitting, utility IF who offered next to nothing outside of an occasional web gem. Mike Cameron

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 10:00 PM) Ha, I was talking about Tony lol. My bad. You didn't quote me so I assumed you ignored me. I didn't even read the post.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 09:56 PM) Used to spit a whole hell of a lot. Loved his batting stance. Dude knew how to draw a walk. Norberto Martin Why did you ignore me, dickhead?

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 08:42 PM) Keith Law put Sale at 67 in his rankings and didn't include any other Sox. A little low on Sale, but we know he doesn't like Sale much. He reasoned that he was a reliever and won't be a starter. I can understand that. I know most hate Law. But the guy is at least consistent.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) Acquired from Pittsburg for Bobby Bonilla. Ivan Calderon Marginal to decent player. All-star in 1991. Shot and killed by the mafia. Tony Phillips.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) That east team is ridiculous. Indeed. I've pretty much ignored the all-star game and the all-star weekend in general the past few years. But with Blake Griffin in the dunk contest and all the sick, young talent that will showcase itself in the all-star game this year I'll definitely clear my schedule for that weekend.

Just throwing it out there. Frank was worth 49.1 WAR from '91 through '97. A blatant cheater in Sosa was worth 41.0 WAR from '97-'03. Frank was just a MUCH better hitter. HR totals be damned. I almost wish Frank had roided up just to see what kinda Sega Genesis numbers he could've put up. I'm thinking 1994 times 5.

And it's official, D-Rose will be the Eastern conference all-star starting PG. The fans finally got it right for once. Can't argue with any of the starters for the east this year. The west is another story.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 07:32 PM) I'm not a big fan of OPS and OPS+ being the ultimate measure of a hitter. But all measures show Big Frank is better. What would you go by then?

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 05:29 PM) true, he's an awesome pitcher... I should have phrased it differently, those three starters are extremely impressive. I know what you meant. Honestly, other than Kershaw and a healthy Strasburg [i'm so bummed we won't get to see him this year], there's not a pitcher in the NL 25 and under that I would take over Gallardo.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 06:53 PM) If a guy is worth as much defensively as UZR says he is, then probably, yes he is worth that much. This is one of those areas though where I start questioning total faith in the advanced defensive metrics. This is where your eyes come into play. If you've seen Andrus or Escobar even a few times you can see the special defensive ability they have. Metrics are nice and good for the game. But to rely on metrics alone is futile.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) Can we just let the Freddy stuff go away, please? Anyone we pluck from AA/AAA would be just as good or bad I absolutely agree with the gist of what you're saying. The problem is we have the worst collection of SP prospects in baseball. I don't see anybody that could give us even replacement level performance. At least with Freddy you know he can BS his way through a couple starts here and there.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 03:58 PM) like your list, I would just swap Brewers and Jays, just because I am more of an immediate payoff type and the fact that the Crew knew Prince is walking and went all in this year and made Gallardo their 3rd starter was damn impressive! Not to mention I think Saito was a nice under the radar signing. It's just my opinion, but Gallardo could still very well be that team's ace, at the very least their number 2.. His stuff is beyond electric. I watched all 3 starts of his starts vs the Cubs last year and I thought immediately that this guy could challenge for a CY in the very near future.

Wood/Buehrle was actually a debate. And I will admit that in 2003 I would've taken Wood over Buehrle in a second. There's really no way a non-biased person wouldn't. Thomas/Sosa was never a debate. If you take Frank's peak from '91-'97 and Sosa's peak from I guess '97-2003, Thomas still has a considerably higher OPS+. Imagine a roided up Frank? He would've trumped 2001-2004 with relative ease.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) If we have the money for Freddy, then we had the money for Andruw Jones. First thing that came to my mind. Now unless Coop, ect, are totally on some bulls***, which wouldn't surprise me at all, Peavy is ahead of schedule and doesn't figure to miss more than 5-6 starts. However, if he's out for a much longer extended period of time, then Freddy becomes almost essential. The thought of Tony Pena or Lucas Harell for 12-15 starts gives me nightmares.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 09:12 AM) God you've been annoying this off-season. What the hell's been up your ass? Whatever you say. The ignore button is there for a reason. I made a simple observation. It wasn't a big deal to me. Those that responded made it a big deal. Nobody attacked the guy. I've seen quite a few threads created of late that clearly weren't thread topic worthy. People used to tease Jabroni about this all the time.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 04:45 AM) If Love doesn't make the All Star team, it would be a shame. Don't even think Blake should make it over him. They both should be there. Period. I'm going to puke if Duncan makes it. But I've got a feeling he'll be there. Looks like I picked a bad year to discontinue my league pass subscription. I had it from 2005 through last year. Combination of not really being all that interested in anybody outside of the Bulls, and the fact I didn't have the nearly $200 bones it cost yearly, and I said no thanks. There's more premium, in particular young, talent in the league today than at any point I can remember since the early 90's. I'm actually staying up late to catch Clipper/Wolves/Warriors/Grizzlies highlights.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 06:17 PM) Eh, I don't see why you would waste your time on thread policing what exactly has to go into the MLB thread. Talk about a waste of time. I would expect nothing less than this from somebody with your post count. But to me, the main Sox board should be reserved for White Sox related topics. And this has become a reoccurring theme around here of late. Just ditch the MLB thread all together if we're going to create threads for every little non-related Sox topic.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 06:08 PM) I think this entire statement is wrong. #1 - a 4.15 ERA over a 3 year period is extremely good, especially doing it in the American League (for the majority of it). It's not Cy Young good, but if you are going to say something that is above average is league average, then I am going to have a problem with it every single time. Have some perspective here. Over the last 3 years, Edwin Jackson is tied (with, not so ironically enough, Bronson Arroyo and Joe Saunders) for the 46th best ERA at 4.15. You can't simply divide those guys up and say that he is a league average #2, but I would say that you can safely slot him as a pretty good all around #2-3 pitcher on pretty much any staff in the league. That is extremely valuable and, as I said, pretty damn good. #2 - Bronson Arroyo is also a pretty good pitcher as well, but he would never survive in the American League. He survives by floating junk up there and pitching around good hitters, while Jackson goes right after hitters. I think if you just compare the stuff that both of them feature, you'd make the correct conclusion as well. #3 - Jackson's ERAs the past 3 years have been 4.42, 3.62, and 4.47. He hasn't thrown fewer than 183.1 IP the previous 3 seasons. He hasn't walked more than 78 or fewer than 70, nor has he allowed more than 27 homers nor less than 21 homers. His strikeouts have shown the greatest inconsistency, but that is because they are trending upwards, which is a good inconsistency to show. Calling him the epitome of inconsistency is hyperbolic and, quite frankly, wrong. #4 - I think Jackson has better stuff than Vazquez does, but perhaps part of that is because I believe he locates better as well as the fact that he has 2 extremely good pitches instead of 4 simply good pitches. It gives him less to mess around with, and thus, allows him to keep those two pitches extremely sharp. He has other pitches that work too, but they are not his main pitches, which is just fine. Also, considering Jackson has pitched on two postseason teams, and, upon arriving in Chicago last August, pitched his ass off, the stigma that Javy Vazquez carries is not nearly the same as the one that Edwin Jackson carries. I think that covers about everything. If you say so. And Arroyo was in the AL from 2003-2005 and posted similar numbers as Jackson has the last three years. Again, about league or slightly above league average. I never said Jackson was Todd Ritchie. But I'm not going to overrate him because he's a White Sox. Let the Cubs trade their top pitching prospect for this guy and everybody here would be singing a different tune. Period. I used to think the same thing about Javy. I'll believe it when I see it. And even then it won't mean much if we lose him to FA because we can't work a deal out with his agent.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 05:59 PM) And so far, you've gotten 3 posts out of this thread. That's about 20 less per day than certain posters on the board.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) Jared Mitchell received a $1.2 million signing bonus. Mike Trout received a $1.215 million signing bonus. I wasn't talking simply money. As you obviously proved that this wasn't a factor in this case. Wite clearly hinted at that even if we had taken Trout that there's a good chance that he wouldn't have become the player he has to this point with us as opposed to the Angels. IMO, that casts a negative light on the organization, whether he meant it that way or not .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) Did it really warrant a complaint? Actually, yeah. Bartolo Colon is not a member of the White Sox and hasn't been for well over a year. I don't see why the Yankees signing him to a minor league deal warrants it's own thread on a White Sox board. I could post-pad and jam up the board all day if I wanted. This is clearly something better left off in the MLB discussion thread.