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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 03:34 PM) Interesting. What do you think the Sox can get for a 30 year old reliever with a 6.66 major league ERA, who hasn't pitched in the majors since 2007? Shouldn't this go in the minor league thread anyway? I'm so f***ing dumb.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 03:22 PM) Ryan Braun on the trading block. ?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 03:00 PM) For some reason, I would think that Bo Knows Defense just a tad bit better than CQ does Lindsay Lohan knows sobriety better than CQ knows defense.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 02:58 PM) His worth is borderline All-Star, but will be paid much more than that. That's why I'm not against trading him IF he can't be locked up to a reasonable extension. He's not elite. He shouldn't be paid like he is.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 02:55 PM) He's still only 25(26 when the season starts), while it's certainly possible that he's reached his ceiling, I think he's still far too young to say that for sure. I agree. I'm just saying there's really nothing in his rate stats that suggest he was any better in '10 than he was in '08. And I think most would agree that he doesn't have the stuff of a David Price, Clayton Kershaw or Jon Lester. I think it's just assumed that because he's still young that more is yet to come. Not sure that's the case here.

Am I the only one that feels Danks has hit his ceiling? Not saying that's a bad thing. But it seems for the last couple years he was expected to have that 'dominant' season which vaults him into the elite. He's been roughly the same pitcher for the last three years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 02:12 PM) If he is, then the Sox know something behind the scenes about him that we don't. Don't get me wrong. I've never advocated trading Beckham. I think (or hope) that he'll be that 'true' superstar this organization hasn't had since Frank. But c'mon, the hype last year was ridiculous. I remember even Kalapse saying it worried him some. And unless I'm reading your earlier post wrong, Beckham didn't sport anywhere near an .808 OPS last year. It was under .700 I believe. Edit: Yeah, I misunderstood. You confused me when you said at 2B.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 02:10 PM) I don't know how you trade Danks before we really know where Peavy's health is. I'm looking at it from the Padres' point of view. They KNOW Gonzalez is gone after next year. They're under no pressure whatsoever to deal him unless they're getting premium pieces back. This is flat nothing like the Jake Peavy situation. They were begging teams to take his contract. I can't think of any legitimate offer from us that doesn't include Danks that wouldn't have the Padres front-office bent over from chronic laughter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 02:01 PM) Beckham overall put up an .808 OPS on the season in his first year at 2b and as a 23 year old. From the end of June on, once he snapped out of that early funk, he hit .310 with an .885 OPS. I'm pretty sure 95% of Sox fans want no part of dealing Beckham right now either. Let's just say he's a lot less 'untouchable' now than he was last year.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 01:56 PM) What KW needs to do is FOCUS hard on Adrian Gonzalez right now! If we can get him right away in the offseason- the organization can move on and not take that big of blow losing PK. I am not sure what it would cost to get A Gonz- but the GM has came out and said he will be listening to offers. With that PK money- you can then sign Damon as your DH for a resonable price (5-6 mill) re-sign AJ and Putz and go out and sign Brandon Inge for 3B. It would be more of a 2005 offseason mind-set with cutting ties to Magglio. I would love to move Quentin, but i think the organization wants to give him one more chance. Not to mention we will need his power or somebody with power out in RF. The Padres would be essentially punting 2011 if they were to trade Gonzalez before the season. Not saying they wouldn't do it. But you best believe they'll have to be overwhelmed. We've got flat nothing in the minors right now (I don't count Sale). Any offer from us would have to include Danks+Beckham.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) If KW held Beckham back in talks for A. Gonzalez and R. Halladay, he better absolutely PILLAGE an organization in a trade involving him. Meh, kinda easy to say that now. I'm pretty sure 95% of Sox fans wanted no part of dealing Beckham this time last year.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Nov 11, 2010 -> 12:45 AM) How about thinking of the radical and contemplating dangling Beckham for Colby Rasmus in a straight up swap? Maybe a A or AA filler from us? No thanks. No sense in filling one hole by creating another.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 10:15 PM) As Beckham's biggest fan, I have no problems with him being dangled as trade bait. If you can get an impact power bat that's signed for more than a year, go ahead and do that. Unless we're getting Mike Stanton back, I'd be disgusted with just about any trade involving Beckham and it would indeed confirm this franchise truly has no organizational direction going forward other than to "go for it" every year while coming up short to the troops in Minny.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 06:05 PM) Still awaiting Jeremy Reed's Sox debut... Keep waiting.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 06:05 PM) Torres should have gotten one. Bruce is a right fielder and they usually go with 3 center fielders or guys fitted to play CF for the awards. How Chase Utley doesn't win gold gloves is beyond me. Bruce is a stud. Every metric out there casts him in a ultra-positive light defensively. Not to mention the eye test. I watch quite a few Reds games between when they play the Cubs and the Extra Inning package. Bruce was not that far off from prime Larry Walker. As for Utley? Yeah. He obviously slept with multiple coaches/managers wives.

Excellent move for the A's. An already stellar defense gets better. Just don't be like the Mariners and forget scoring runs is a part of winning baseball games.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 05:51 PM) Seriously, I dont think people understand how ridiculous that record is. That team won a ridiculous 33 road games. When you look at it, 8 of the 10 games they lost they easily could've won. But to be fair, they won games they had no business winning. I was 13 or 14 at the time. It's just amazing feeling watching a game thinking your team is just going to win. No matter what. They're going to find a way to win. And I don't even think that team was the best of the title bunch. Give me the '92 team over the '96 team 7 days a week. But there was just something about that '96 team.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 05:37 PM) No, they absolutely don't. No offense to Brian, but it's amazing how often a team starts out 8-0 or 9-0 or even 15-1 and automatically they're in the running to win 72 games+. I don't think people, even Bulls fans, truly comprehend how special that '96 team was.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 05:20 PM) For everybody who wants to go out and sign some high priced free agents, I'd like you to do this: If you look at the Soxtalk banner at the top, underneath it you will see a few links to SoxNet, FutureSox, etc. I'd like you to click on "Kalapse's Sox Payroll Resource." Then, navigate to the first post and click on the image to increase its size (you may have to do this twice). If you scroll down to the middle of the screen, you will see a line that says "Actual Payroll". The first number in red was our opening day payroll with the money we got from other clubs included. Now, I want you to look at the number directly to the right. That's the money we already have committed to next year's payroll minus Edwin Jackson, John Danks, Bobby Jenks, Carlos Quentin, Tony Pena, Matt Thornton, Omar Vizquel, and Ramon Castro. So in order to get a more accurate place of where we are at next year, add $8.35M for Jackson, $7M for Danks, 0 for Jenks, $5M for Quentin, $1.5M for Pena, 2.75M for Thornton, $1.75M for Vizquel, and $1M for Castro. Adding the numbers together gave me $91.95M. If you compare that number to last years opening day number, we have roughly $8M to spend. Going by the numbers people have been throwing out for Konerko, we can't even afford him, let alone a highly sought after player. Since the salary figures for Danks, Quentin, and Pena were estimates, they are obviously not exact, so if you want to say that I'm overestimating a bit, even if I was off by $5M (which is a lot) what more can you do to sign high priced free agents with $13M that you couldn't do with $8M? You could even take it a step further and say that we took on money during the season, so we have more to spend than what we spent on the opening day roster last year. We ended the season with a payroll of $103M, so that's only $3M more than opening day. It also appears to be the organization's M.O. to leave some flexibility in their payroll to make acquisitions at the trade deadline, so it's unlikely that we would have that money to spend in the off season anyways. Is $16M a year enough to get Crawford (and this is probably less than we have to spend)? Let's not forget that we have some other pretty big holes to fill on our roster, as well. Outstanding post! And this is the main reason, not the only reason, that the Jackson/Hudson swap was so pathetic. And why years of neglecting the farm are now coming back to haunt us. Wayyyy too many holes for a team with a 100+ million dollar payroll and little-to-no wiggle room to add to it. KW and CO. better get pretty damn creative this offseason.

Somethin' new. Go for it.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 03:12 PM) Just a couple more posts and this thread will look even more legitimate. fjfjff

Yeah, I was disappointed (hardly surprised) that we couldn't net him. But I can't get too mad. Him going to NC was pretty much a foregone conclusion. And he's not the kinda talent you're going to severely overpay for anyway. Now Austin Wilson? Man I wanted him.

lol@neither Ryan Zimmerman or Jay Bruce winning a GG. Was surprised to see Cargo get one. His D was solid to me but hardly spectacular. Andres Torres was much more deserving.

Seriously, y'all need to edit this thread. I was about to go postal in this mofo. I know I've been dubbed fathom the sequel of late. But I would've put fathom to shame had this been up to date.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 9, 2010 -> 03:36 PM) I would say that Thornton, Sale, and Santos are all more reliable then Jenks. Gregory Infante is probably more reliable then Jenks. s***, Tony Pena is probably more reliable then Jenks. Jenks is awful. I was with you until the bolded.