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Holy s***. Desmond Jennings getting the start in RF? Joe Maddon is a strange cat.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 11:53 AM) So we can only listen to people b**** about the Twins beating us, and ignore the rest of the story? That's a pretty crappy discussion if you ask me. Using 2005 or the Twins' playoff record (doesn't help that they play a 200 million dollar juggernaut every year) as some kinda ultimate security blanket as a rebuttal for them kicking our asses every year is kinda corny. As a fan, I don't give a s*** if the Twins go 0 for their next 80 in the playoffs. I most certainly do care that they're the ones keeping us from getting to the postseason to begin with (save 2008, which was only because of a stupid coin flip).

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 11:37 AM) Yeah, where is this written? Just because the Twins are the team that humiliate us on a regular basis, we don't have to emulate them. We just have to emulate a team that wins. It's almost a straw man argument. We get it thrown in our faces that the Twins can't win anything in the postseason, but we're really just upset that we can't beat them in the regular season. The postseason has nothing to do with the argument. They prevent us from winning in the regular season, and that's the main point. The 2005 White Sox are destined to become the '85 Bears.

Watched the replay on MLB Network. I was even more impressed the second time around. He threw first pitch strikes to 25 of the 28 batters he faced (79 strikes out of 104 pitches overall). Only 4 balls were hit out of the infield. He had all 5 pitches workin' for him. And keep in mind the Reds won the team triple crown (1st in BA, R, HR). One of the all-time greats performances in postseason history.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 10:12 AM) Just happy the Phillies didnt hold on to him as well, wouldnt be fair. They wouldn't have traded for Oswalt. But yeah, Halladay, Lee, Hamels would be baseball's version of Wade, LeBron and Bosh.

I've got a bad feeling the Twins are going to win this series. One team can own another for only so long before the team getting owned eventually breaks through (see Angels/Red Sox last year).

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:58 PM) This is still the 2nd one in postseason history. It's a big deal. Shut up.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:30 PM) Define this era. I should've said of the last decade.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:14 PM) [snickers] Yeah, I inadvertently set myself up for that one.

QUOTE (G&T @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 07:11 PM) I was listening on the radio during the seventh and thy didn't bother saying there was a no hitter. So when I got home I didn't watch. Idiots. We've seen about 60 no-hitters this year. So it shouldn't be that big a deal.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:20 PM) Except, I didn't try to make an argument using contracts. I actually brought stats to the table in which no one really proved otherwise. And that was before last season. I digress with basketball talk in the baseball forum. You made a ridiculous claim that some would take 6 cheap years of Hudson over the best pitcher of the last 10 years. I don't get what's so hard to understand. Does baseball have a cap? No. But every team not named the Yankees, and to a lesser degree the Cubs, Red Sox and Mets, have a budget. A budget that they HAVE to stick to. We've got over 50+ million committed to next year's rotation on a team with a 100 million dollar payroll, give or take a few million. Throw in Rios, who's overpaid, and you're talking 66 million to all of 6 players. Throw in arbitration raises to Danks, CQ and Jenks (Jenks better not be back), and that number gets higher. As of right now, we've got no 1B, C and DH. And no ready replacements in our pathetic system. It made no sense to trade our top pitching prospect, a guy that dominated the minors for over a year and a half, for a guy that's been nothing but mediocre outside of 1 half in 2009, that's due almost 9 million next year and set to become a FA and has an agent we refuse to deal with. It's not about overrating Hudson and thinking he's the next Lincecum. But you have to be able to filter some cheap/controllable talent onto your roster every now and then (again, unless you're the Yankees). Kenny has become his own worst enemy.

Best pitcher of this era.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:10 PM) I'll agree that they have done an incredible job, but you can't just disregard the payroll card. If they didn't have the $$$$$, their system would not have helped them get Halladay, cause they couldn't have afforded an extension. Their payroll also helped them keep farm products Howard & Utley around, unlike the Rays who have to let Crawford go. You mention they only have the 3 bad contracts, but those add up to $31 million. How many teams could afford that many bad contracts and still be as successful? Granted, they did a great job of using the momentum of a big, new ballpark as well as success to get their payroll so high, but it was $93 mil in 04 already when the park opened, so they havent always been poor. Their fans also sell out nearly every game, which unfortunately not all teams can do even if they sustained the same level of succcess. They are a team to emulate, especially the Sox, but their great payroll situation can't just be ignored. Ignored? No. I'm just saying they're not the Yankees of the NL (not even close). Something that I've read a few times around here. And I'm not just talking Halladay. What about Lee and Oswalt? When you can get three pitchers of the caliber in a year you're system is pretty f***ing loaded. We had a higher payroll just two years ago. And like you said, you win, they'll come. We can't seem to put a consistent winner together for a number of reasons. Despite the fact that we've only had one non-great team, who until this year we had a higher payroll, in our division to deal with.

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:09 PM) No No Thru 7 for Doc Does this fool throw anything straight? Everything he throws moves or cuts. He's a pleasure to watch.

Good lord. I just found out that because of off days and normal days off between series that the Phillies will be able to start Halladay/Oswalt/Hamels 17 of a possible 19 games on normal rest. Good luck playoff field.

Some of you guys are seriously overrating CQ. He's injury prone and has exactly 1 tool.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 05:42 PM) As seen today, it is from a talent standpoint. They don't have the talent to match up with the best. Honestly, in any other year, they would've been a 2nd place team in any division but the AL East and a fringe WildCard team. Dusty actually managed them very well and that's why they're there, but I wouldn't be shocked if they get swept at all. No, they're losing to a better team and arguably the best pitcher in baseball. It's not because they have average talent. The Reds more than likely aren't going to win this series. But it's easy to see that this is a team (the Reds) that have a chance to be a perennial contender for the next 5 years.

Damn, Balta got pwned.

This Phillies team is outstanding. Much better than the 2008 team. They've really become the premier organization in baseball and a franchise that I wish (not holding my breath) that we can someday emulate. And before somebody pulls the payroll card keep in mind that 50 of their 138 million for this year is Ryan Howard (who's averaged 46 HRs a year since 2006), Chase Utley (the best 2b in baseball when healthy) and Roy Halladay (enough said). Howard and Utley came through the system and Halladay is a product of the system. So it's not like they're just going out and signing expensive free agents every year like the Yankees. Outside of Ibanez, Moyer and Lidge, they've got no bad contracts on their roster (I concede the Howard extension was pretty stupid). And they've more than proven that it is possible to have a loaded ML team and a productive farm.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 02:52 PM) I dont even want Flowers on my softball team...his swing is soooooo loopy long. He reminds me of Josh "cant cover the fastball" Fields. There's a reason we were willing to deal Flowers for two months of Dunn.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 11:32 PM) John and Jordan Danks for Gerardo Parra, Mark Reynolds, and Clay Zavada. Seriously though, I am sticking with my prediction that we get Gerardo Parra some way, some how. I've never seen such an obsession with an at best 4th/5th OF. Do you even realize how awful Parra is?

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 08:00 PM) I'll laugh if Hudson ends up like all the other great cheap prospects of the Sox such as Reed and McCarthy. I've never seen a guy so overvalued in my life. I get the feeling that people would take "6 cheap years of Dan Hudson" over 2 years of Doc Halladay because he was cheaper. And Rick Hahn, while seemingly a nice fellow, is overrated on this board as well. Ahahahaha. LOL. That's hilarious. That's almost as delusional as somebody claiming Ben Gordon is the equal to Brandon Roy. Oh wait......

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 04:55 PM) Once again, so did Jackson and put up terrible numbers. Almost all the distaste from that trade is not that Jackson wasn't a nice guy to pickup, it's that Hudson was a key part to the Sox future. Having that cheap, but effective pitcher for years at the back of your rotation is exactly what the Sox need right now and for the near future with this expensive pitching staff. Plus, Hudson has shown some great peripherals throughout the minors and with the D'Backs, he could've been a solid #3 guy for years at a cheap price. Jackson was a good pick up in my opinion, he just wasn't worth Hudson and combine the fact that we really needed Hudson to balance out the pitching staff in terms of salary without giving up any production and that trade makes little financial or baseball sense. You're being a lot kinder than me. I don't even think it was that great a pick-up. The guy's basically had one dominant half of pitching (first half of '08) surrounded by a lot of mediocreness (I know that's not a word). This was clearly a case of a GM who's biggest strength is his biggest weakness in that he's always, and I mean always, playing for the right now while blatantly ignoring the future. No matter how many times this formula fails.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 05:40 PM) Let's be honest, you'd rather see the Colorado Gonzowitzkis take on the Tampa Crawforia's You know me oh so well.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 5, 2010 -> 04:47 PM) I saw nothing to suggest in the AL, Hudson would be anything like he was in the NL Worst. In the AL, he is nothing more than a 4.50 ERA guy. Jackson is a better pitcher, IMO. But I will give you that his salary would be a nice thing on the roster, but Hudson pitched in a horrible offensive division with no pressure. It's like the movie Groundhog day with some of you guys concerning Hudson. Same old tired ass recycled bulls***. KW made a despicable trade. I'll just leave it at that.