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QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 10:29 PM) Yeah our system sucks, but why does that mean I can't wish them for success? Would you rather our minor league teams get buried every single year and never have success? I never said it was taboo to want them to win. I just said that it doesn't matter one way or the other.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 10:25 PM) I ripped on my friends from Michigan who hated that trade. They did the whole "Oh, Granderson is our boiiiiii, he is our Tiger," routine that I hate. I would trade anybody on the Sox if it meant getting better, end of story. Do I like certain players more than others? Of course. But the team >>>> any individual player. I had no clue Jackson was so gifted defensively. But hey, we've got Jordan Danks.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 10:12 PM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...t=0&start=0 They pretty much destroyed you here. And to be completely correct, you questioned why anyone would follow the playoffs, not why anyone would care if we win the title. I personally don't give a s*** if we win or lose in the championship, but I DO think it would be great if the players played well enough to make it there. So you admit our system sucks yet it matters that WS made the championship? I'll go watch Summer Catch if I want to see scrub minor leaguers with no chance in hell of making the big leagues compete for minor league titles. At least I can peep Jessica Biel in a bikini.

Max Scherzer is sick. He's completely dominated since his little demotion to the minors. Couple that with Austin Jackson, an AL ROY candidate and spectacular defensive CF, and I think it's safe to say the Tigers killed that 3-team trade.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 09:54 PM) Your comments were questioning why anyone cared about the minor league players or teams, not about us having a bad system. I think everyone would agree our system sucks, but to call out people for having interest in our minor leagues was just dumb, they ripped you apart, and we all moved on. Nobody ripped a thing apart. Nobody was able to tell me why minor league titles mean anything other than from a "well, we don't live in Chicago, So this is all we have" aspect. Minor league titles don't, and never will, mean s***.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) I saw some of your posts in the minor league thread, and I loved them. I know there's some very intelligent people on this site when it comes to prospects, and there's also some that get way too excited about mediocre prospects putting up numbers in a good hitter's park while being 3-4 years old for the league. With that said, look for the Sox farm system to be ranked among the bottom 3 when the rankings come out from Baseball America next season. Besides for Sale, there is no one near being a highly-regarded pitching prospect in the Sox system. I can't even go there anymore. I love those guys. But they're too damn sensitive. Why is it so hard to admit we have a deplorable minor league system? And it has NOTHING to do with the fact Beckham and Sale made the big leagues so quickly.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 08:00 PM) They arent the epitome of failure, but then again they make the playoffs and havent won a title in so long. Thats considered failure in today's sports world. Like it or not, thats how it is. The Cubs lost to the eventual champion Marlins, does that lessen the loss? Rock, let me ask you this, does the fact that the Twins have struggled in the playoffs make you any less frustrated about how they've been able to clown us most of the last 10 years? Because it doesn't give me any satisfaction at all.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 08:54 PM) Juan Pierre? BTW, did you see what I posted in the catch-all thread about Quentin being the worst defensively player in all of baseball in two different metrics? Juan Pierre? You made me hate a guy that I already despised just a little bit more. And yes, I did see that post. That's one of the reasons I've become such a big proponent of Sabermetrics. They totally reinforce how bad CQ has been.

Troy Tulowitzki needs to f***ing stop it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 09:34 PM) The Sox really need to give up hope of Torres ever pitching in the big leagues. He has so mediocre. And jeez Teahen, you are so freaking worthless. FIRE OZZIE! He said that if anyone quits down the stretch, they won't be back with the team. He's quit more than anyone. I still can't get over the fact that both Carlos Torres and Lucas Harrell pitched for a team that had the audacity to claim they were a contender. Guys like that come from the Pirates or Royals organizations. There's an alarming lack of talent on the White Sox, majors and minors, right now.

QUOTE (zenryan @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 07:54 PM) 2-12 in their last 4 playoff series 6-18 overall record in the Gardenhire era. Yet we keep getting clowned by these "playoff failures" every year.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 07:05 PM) Why do we care how the Twins are perceived? I repeat a common mantra, "f*** the twins." I don't care. All I care about is that they're our daddy. I don't care if they lose their next 40 playoff games.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) I agree with you. If money is an object, then the Sox need that money. Who's our CF?

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 06:54 PM) wasn't that the series where Liriano blew out his arm? You mean season? Yeah. He got hurt long before that series. Frank pwned Johan in game 1.

The Phillies are amazing. They've become the modern day Braves. They've got a stacked ML roster and somehow a loaded system, even though they've traded for 3 aces in the last 15 months. f*** the Twins. The Phils are the team I wish to emulate.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 06:10 PM) If I'm KW, I'm dangling Alex Rios this winter. Maybe someone will bite and pay for the 2010 total numbers and his talent. .259 avg .301 OBP and an OPS under .700 the second half. No thanks. Rios has had a mediocre second half. But images of Mackowiak, Erstad, Terrero and Wise come to mind and I want to commit suicide. He's still a + fielder at a premium position and has a WAR of almost 4. I doubt we could land anybody comparable to Rios.

I love how the Twins are somehow the epitome of playoff failure because they keep losing to the Yankees every year. The other years they've made it they lost to the Angels, the eventual World Series champion in 2002, and the A's in 2006 (the latter being the only year in which you could say they choked).

QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 05:33 PM) Is it wrong that I honestly hope Ozzie goes off on some homophobic, racist, antisemitic rant to end all rants, so JR's hand is basically forced to fire him? Cause I'm pretty sure that's the only way he's gonna go.... Not at all.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 04:24 PM) You may not give a s*** about the Twins playoff record, but I guarantee you Twins fans do. Those six playoff trips in 9 years are great and all, but when you have one ALCS tip to show for it and thats it, you tend to get unhappy with how your team keeps failing when it matters. Especially when your "less successful" division rivals have two WS trips in recent years and one of them went and won the whole damn thing. I understand that. But some are using the Twins playoff record as some kinda lame comfort. Like it's OK that they keep throwing us onto the pool table and gang-raping us (like they did Jodie Foster in the "Accused") because they get knocked out of the playoffs every year. Who cares? The more chances they give themselves, the better chance they'll eventually come through.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) They most certainly don't. You would think that in a span of 19 playoff games, you would win have to win at least 8 or 9 of them, but their 3-16 record in their most recent playoff games tells a different story. Whatever makes you feel better. I for one don't give a s*** what the Twins' playoff record is. I do care that they're the reason we're sitting at home like the Royals and Pirates just about every year watching the playoffs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 02:43 PM) Really...no it isn't. There are 5 teams in that division. If the dice fell completely at random...each team would win the division 2 times every 10 years. The Twins certainly don't seem to understand this randomness. As they're a coin-flip away from 7 division titles in the last 9 years.

So we win the claim on August 27, he doesn't even get into a game until September 1, and here we are with the month barely half over and our season is done. This worked out beautifully. That's how you allocate 3.8 million.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 12:38 PM) Really...we've had 3 playoff appearances in the last 10 year period (October 2000 was less than 10 years ago) and 3 in 11 seasons. That's right about average performance overall...and it's generally above where you'd expect the White Sox to wind up based on the total salary output of the team for the last decade. 2/10 in the KW era. And that ratio is pathetic. We're not dealing with the Yankees and Red Sox every year. We keep getting fist-f***ed by the same team we've had a considerably higher payroll than every year up until now (though I suspect that will be changing soon).

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 10:42 AM) Don't know where to put this, I'll put it here. The starting pitching situation for next year does look good, but its scary how little depth there is behind those six in terms of real talent. AAA had nothing of use this year at all. Next year, the two guys who are above the Harrell/Torres level that are closest to ready would be Leesman and Shirek, neither of which look ready for 2011 after their 2010 campaigns (Leesman was mid-season to AA before he really got strong, and Shirek had injury issues). Behind those two you have guys like Dylan Axelrod and a bunch of really young guys in rookie ball that are not anywhere near ready. Some of those may have the talent, but are multiple years from contributing in any case. This is an area the org needs to develop quickly, before an already expensive pitching staff starts reaching the end of their contracts or arb periods. You just me more depressed then I already was. I knew there was a reason(s) I totally stopped following our minor leagues in June.

I'm lovin' this Butter Parque guy. Maybe it's because I have the munchies and I want a giant tub of butter popcorn with extra salt?