Jordan4life_2007

QUOTE (pktmotion @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 12:00 AM) Werth would be a great addition to the squad. 1.) He'd give us better defense in RF and move Quentin to DH. 2.) He would take care of the LH Power Role, since he's hitting righties (.901 OPS) better than lefties (.836) 3.) He'd command much less than Dunn via trade. I read a report somewhere that stated the Phillies were wanting to dump Werth somewhere so they could use the savings/prospects to attain Oswalt. So I don't think they necessarily demand Hudson. I think a package of Santos, Marquez, and Gilmore would be fair for both teams. I say yes to Werth. Now say that again when you're sober. It won't make as much sense. Trust me.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 11:44 PM) For those of you who were wondering of Jerry Dipoto is an idiot... yeah, he's an idiot. This is his measuring stick of what a great pitcher is: “We achieved by maintaining major league quality with a 2008 All-Star in Joe Saunders and a guy who quite frankly has been one of the winners in Major League Baseball,” Dipoto said. “I think he trails only Roy Halladay(notes) among major leaguers in total wins. He’s won 63 percent of his games since coming to the major leagues… “ http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_leagu...?urn=mlb-258239 I feel like skinning a gerbil after reading that.

Balta pretty much nailed it. But you gotta give up the fast food, bro. I know it's hard. Believe me. But if you want to drop the weight you gotta pay the price.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 10:55 PM) This is win. I agree. At least for the rest of this year.

Haren looks fantastic. 7 Ks through 4 innings. Did give up a HR to Ortiz. That's really the only legitimate criticism of him. He's got a gopher problem. f***ing Joe Saunders. I'm gonna hurl.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 09:12 PM) The cycle should never do anything for you. It's a stupid accomplishment. I'd rather have a guy hit 2 HR with 4 hits than a triple and a HR. A cycle is 'nifty' not all that great. That was kinda my point. The no-hitter means next to nothing these days.

The cycle does more for me than a no-hitter this year.

24? So you were like 17 or 18 when you first started posting here? I still can't believe how young some of you guys on here are. I'm about to be 27 and I feel decrepit. Happy B-day.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 05:51 PM) Has Brent Lillibridge even touched a bat or glove these past two weeks? You can't somehow DH him or play him in right field to keep him somewhat warm? He was hitting the ball with some authority when he played. He gave you much more than Kotsay and Jones. I can no longer back Ozzie. I'm sick of him. He's the one manager/coach in pro sports that's still employed because of one season.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 05:47 PM) Is the Kotsay hate ballooning? For once it's a guy I also dislike greatly. I don't think the nights I've watched I've ever seen him lash a hit. Lot of ground outs and some line outs to the shallow outfield. Couple warning track outs. Like with Mackowiak and Wise, Ozzie has put Kotsay in a position to fail.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 05:43 PM) AA has made a couple of really good deals and they have a nice group of players in Hill, Lind, Escobar, Lewis, and Bautista. I understand that they're in the East, but given that this current team is a .500 team with Hill and Lind doing absolutely nothing, they have the potential to be a 88-90 win team with some smart moves as early as next season. I agree with you. I like what the Blue Jays are doing. I just don't see it for them in that division. It's funny, I think a healthy Red Sox team might be the best in baseball. And there's a damn good chance they might miss the postseason.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 05:33 PM) He has two more years of arbitration remaining. I'm assuming he'll make $5-6 million next year and $7-9 in 2012. Marcum has some very questionable mechanics, which is why he need TJS to begin with. So he'll probably deal with arm issues down the line as well. Maybe this is why the Blue Jays are willing to deal him. They're rebuilding, but Marcum would be a good part of their future. Trading him away, even if he gets you a Ben Revere or a Wilson Ramos, isn't the best idea because I see this Jays team competing as early as next season. Maybe they're worried about his health. You surely see something I don't. Unless they're moving to the central or west, they've got no chance in that monster of a division.

I agree with you about Marcum. I could live with them acquiring Frasor or Downs. Liriano/Pavano/Marcum would be tough.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 05:23 PM) I'm tired of seeing kotsay in the lineup. WHY NOT VICIEDO or JONES or CASTRO or EVEN LILLIBRIDGE. Kotsay sucks. Ozzie gets a pass today because of who we're facing tonight. But yeah, it's a joke that Viciedo hasn't seen more PT.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 04:51 PM) It's actually 43 home runs, I forgot to add 10 for some reason. He's been averaging about 23-24 home runs allowed. That's about what Haren did, but at least Haren would strike a ton of guys out while limiting his walks. Saunders strikes out about half the guys Haren does and walks more while giving up as many, if not more home runs. I'm still in shock. How the hell did they (the Angels) pull this s*** off? Unbelievable. And shame on us for not swooping in and making a legitimate play. f*** the offense. There's no realistic bat out there that we could get that would make us a more dangerous team than if we added Haren to the rotation.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 04:21 PM) Another thing with Saunders is that he gives up a lot of home runs. He's served up 33 home runs these past two years. For a ground ball pitcher, that's pretty bad. Not a good combination considering the launching pad Chase Field is.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) Based on? Saunders is a #4 at very best. His stuff is extremely mediocre. He doesn't strike anybody out. He doesn't get an especially high number of ground balls. His walk rate is only average. He's never pitched 200 innings. Please, tell me how that equates to a #3 starter with #2 upside. He won 33 games in 2008-2009! Honestly, Saunders is going to get lit up like a Christmas tree in that ballpark. Arizona should be ashamed of themselves. If not for their historically bad bullpen, they might be a .500 team right now. Their core is still filthy good with a lot more room to grow. You get Webb back and make a tweak here and there and they could've easily competed in what typically hasn't been a powerhouse division in 2011.

I can't believe I've gone from practically worshiping Ozzie to despising him in like two years.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) Oh that's f***ing bulls*** and you know it. First of all, a title is a title. And if you're going to insult me for that being the most cherished moment in my sports fan life, than f*** you. What the hell are you watching for? Secondly, the Rangers have how many division titles in the last 30 years? Wow. Step out for a while and come back to this? Are you kidding me? You act like I insulted your religion or something. Anyway, I'm just gonna remove myself from this thread before things get more exacerbated than they already are. But this definitely reinforces the fact that mods/admins play by a different set of rules than us "mortals." I would've already gotten a PM alerting me of a suspension if I had come at somebody like this.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 09:40 PM) You just reinforced my point, the Sox werent able to acquire Lee because they didnt have enough in the system and they couldnt detract from the MLB team by losing Beckham. The Sox overall have a pretty bleak history too, but Im not talking about history, Im talking about improving the franchise now. Some are going to stroke that 2005 title until they're 6 feet under. We're not some kinda top-flight organization because of one title in the last 90+ years.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) And how long have we been hearing about the farm system drying up? Every year it's the apocalypse is coming! There will be no talent left to trade! And then, a few guys come along and we suddenly have a few more pieces to trade. I want to have been talent to develop as much as the next guy. And I hope that we do devote more resources to doing so. But this fantastical idea that these other organizations have farm systems that have been producing all-star caliber players one year after another is pure fiction. The rates of attrition are so great that even systems that look loaded and are rated as so usually don't end up producing huge quantities of above-average major league talent. All you have to do is go back and peruse Baseball America over the past 10 years and the systems that were rated highly and try to find all these outstanding MLB all stars that came from those systems. You'll find them to be full of names of guys that you've either never heard of, or that you haven't heard of in a long, long time (like Obi Wan Kenobi). And for every player we don't seem to be able to develop ourselves, we do find them in other ways, whether they are young guys that are a bit down on their luck in other organizations, or guys that are coming off injuries or a down year with something to prove. I'm certainly not arguing that a farm system isn't important, but there are a s***load of costs associated with trying to develop your own talent. Look at what we have gone through with Beckham this year. Now imagine that times 2 or 3 every year with these kids. Sometimes, it's much easier, and much less expensive, to go with the veteran talent over the young kids just because of the opportunity costs involved. Other than Peavy, and that was more of a case of them wanting to dump salary, you have to go back to 2004 the last time the Sox added a legitimate talent at the deadline. Like fathom said, if this is the way we're going to operate year after year, we have to have better talent.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 09:05 PM) I don't want to swing the conversation over to the Flubs, but wouldn't it be the same topic? Only their team has no WS title and hasn't been as consistent a contender as we have been (I guess for a few years they were right there, though). Piniella? Highly respected when he was hired and now despised by Flub fans. GM? Looked like he once made some great acquisitions. Now all you hear is all the bad contracts they have. Again, forgive me for going to the North Side on this, but it hit me that our situation is better than theirs (not that that matters except it was in my strain of consciousness and I had to get it out; forgive me pls). In Castro, Colvin and Cashner, they've got a nice little core. They're in much better shape in the young talent department than they were a couple years ago.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 08:52 PM) And everyone of those teams has been at the bottom of their divisions for most of the last decade. True. But these teams didn't get to where they are today off of just high first round picks.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 08:51 PM) LOL wut? I was going to quote him but didn't know how to respond.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 08:43 PM) I will be less of a White Sox fan the day Kenny Williams is no longer the General Manager of the Chicago White Sox. I am so tired of this nonsense about farm teams. Look around, people. Look at who the best-rated farm systems have been in the last 5-10 years and then look at what they have actually produced. The once amazing systems of the Angels and Dodgers, loaded to the gils with player after player after player. And where has it got them? The Red Sox are a very unique organization, and I often hope that we will model ours after theirs. That being the case, there are not a whole lot of other organizations out there that I would want our FO to try and replicate. The Rays, Rangers, Reds and Rockies (two playoff births in the last three years) are not in first place or near it because of FA signings. The Dodgers have produced Kershaw/Billingsley/Broxton/Kemp/Ethier/Loney/Martin. Not sure where you're coming from there. I agree about the Angels.