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QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) I agree that Hendry needs to win now, and this move just proves the urgency of his position. Nonetheless, its a stupid move. If you are going to throw money around like this, why don't you just give it to a Zito and/or Schmidt? The cost for those two would be ridiculous, but then again, either one by themselves would make more sense in regards to winning. Not to mention, you wouldn't have to give them 8 year contracts. I agree with all of this. I'm just looking at it from Hendry's point of view. I don't think the guy is an idiot. He realizes that he overpaid, especially in years. But like I said, they need to win right now. The Red Sox, White Sox, and Cardinals winning the last 3 years makes him even more desperate. I think he will gladly take his lumps that will come with this ridiculous contract in exchange for a World Series title.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 01:09 PM) Freddy started 2 games and pitched 7.1 innings in the WBC. Only Koji Uehara (17), Bartolo Colon (14) and Jae Seo (14) went 14 or more innings. The WBC is in no way shape, or form, an excuse for Freddy's performance last year. I'm glad you just proved that. You figure he would've pitched atleast 20 or so innings had he particpated in a normal spring training. So it makes no sense to blame the WBC.

I'm as big a Cubs hater as anyone (well, except for cuckthefubs), but Hendry did what he had to do. Is it a horrible contract? You better believe it. Will they regret this horrid contract somewhere down the line? Indeed. But the Cubs have to win NOW! Now as in yesterday. And Soriano, atleast for next year, makes them a considerably better team. Their lineup looks pretty scary all of a sudden. Yes, I realize they have glaring holes in their rotation. That's gonna be Hendry's biggest challenge. Rounding out a really bad rotation. If he can somehow get a couple of decent [no way they're going after Zito or Schmidt now] pitchers, they'll be in pretty good shape in what is no doubt the sorriest division in all of baseball.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 03:05 AM) Eh, I really disagree with this. I was against a rematch before and now I'm really against it. Both teams played very dumb and Michigan threw away a game that OSU was trying to hand to them. It really wasn't that well played of a game. Lots of dumb penalties and dumb plays by each team. Both teams were completely blowing coverages on defense as well. Michigan doesn't deserve a rematch after this game imo. And I'll say it right now: OSU is beatable, depending on who they play in the championship game, I would not be surprised to see them go down. Shut up. You always disagree with me.

Deron Williams with another fantastic game. 25 points, 14 assists. I'm so happy for him. He got so much bulls*** for going as early as he did in the '05 draft.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 19, 2006 -> 02:01 AM) Fixed. Good catch. I get sick of everyone acting like Jon has been brutal outside of 2005.

I have to agree with Rex. Hart was a beast. He chewed up OSU's defense quite easily. He clearly outplayed Pittman. Yeah, I know, Pittman had like 120 yards. But other than that one 50+ yard run, he looked average to me. As far as the game goes, it was one of the better college football games I've ever seen. I was very impressed by both teams. I won't have any problems with a rematch in the title game. These are clearly, IMO, the two best teams in the country.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) I only saw it once, and I don't really think that he intended to show up Tad. He needs to do a better job of controlling his body language, but I don't think that he's a bad teammate. He did it in a game (I can't remember who we were playing) when Mack misplayed a ball in center.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) I always saw Freddie Garcia take his turn on the mound, battle all the way even when he wasn't good, and come back ready to go again in 5 days. It seems like the fact the Sox didn't win in 2006 was all Freddie's fault when reading thsen posts. If one guy is to blame then who do we blame for failing to win 1960 through 2004? I think he was hurt some of last year and that was the problem. 2007 will be better for all our pitchers. You're kidding, right? Every single one of our starters are to blame for the dissapointment that was 2006. Nobody is picking on Freddy. LOL. ALL of our starters took the ball every 5th day. Hip hip hooray! That doesn't excuse the fact that every single one of them underachieved.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 04:11 PM) How many times did ol Freddy show up his players. He would throw his hands up and pout like a child on the mound when someone made a mistake. maybe they should of been throwing their hands up when he lobbed that 86mph heater down the middle that got crushed over the fence. Indeed.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) Not saying it's wrong, because I have been ready to see Freddy go since June, but I don't think there has ever been more hate for a guy that won us the clinching game of the World Series. Amazing what a year does. What about a guy who hit the biggest HR in White Sox history in game 2 of the World Series? I can't speak for anybody else, but I certainly don't "hate" Freddy Garcia. But I can't ignore what I saw last year. If you remember, I was one of the few defending Freddy at that start of last year. I kept telling everyone "Don't worry. Freddy will be fine. The velocity will return. Everything is cool." Well, it never happened. It never came close to happening. I'm not fooled by the little run Freddy went on in September when we were pretty much out of it. And as I already mentioned, I can't get over a guy admitting he doesn't get up for lesser team. Especially a guy that pitched like horses*** for much of the year.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 03:53 PM) You can truthfully say that about all of our starters. True.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) Freddy Garcia was arguably our best pitcher last season, yet people are so quick to kick him to the curb. How many times did he step it up big time when we neede him the most? Judging by his record and numbers with the Sox, it happened a lot more time than the situation you are mentioning. Freddy's ERA was over 5 all year long before that last little run of his to end the season. Anybody from John Kruk to Cecil Fielder could've swiped a base off him last year. Look, I like Freddy. I really do. But he's never gonna be the same pitcher again with the decrease in his velocity. He's still better than average. He can be dominant on some nights. But the Freddy from Seattle, or even his first couple years with the Sox, is gone. If we can get a stud like Santana from him, you have to do it. QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 03:48 PM) Considering Freddy's ERA was over 5.00 most of the season until the end when he strung together some nice outings only to have the White Sox finish 3rd, and his admitting that he doesn't "get up" for lesser opponents, indicates to me that he didn't step up when the White Sox needed him. Santana won 16 games, and had an ERA lower than Freddy's and makes $8 million less than him. The Angels would be crazy making the trade, and I think DeLuca is full of s***. Garcia is going to get even more money in 2008 and beyond if he's halfway decent next year. That sealed his fate as far as I'm concerned. Even if that's how you really feel, YOU NEVER ACTUALLY ADMIT IT! No way in hell Kenny/Ozzie will tolerate that bulls***. Freddy for Santana? See ya, Freddy!

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Nov 17, 2006 -> 01:59 PM) Oh course the Rangers have interest in Jon Garland... MY GOD THERE'S A REASON THEIR PITCHING STAFF IS A JOKE! THEY ALL SUCK! THEIR MINORS ARE WORSE THEN OURS! Hell i'm not trading two never will be's and one VERY SLIM CHANCE IN HELL of ever being for Jon Garland... If we do we have a good chance of finishing in forth place next year... LOL. Yes! Jeckle has returned. I burn up some serious calories laughing after reading a Jeckle post.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 05:30 PM) Rosie O'Donell wins in a landslide I don't know. Warner's wife still got that buzz cut? Damn, feel like puking now.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 05:06 PM) Based on what? Wins? Somebody please break it down for me. I could make a strong argument that Garcia was better in 2006. Jon had like a 2 and a half month stretch in which he was simply dominant. Freddy wasn't able to string any kind of consistency together until September. Matter of fact, none of our starters were able to string together a run of success for as long as Jon did when he was on. That's just my opinion. Like I said, saying anybody was our "best" starter last year isn't saying a whole lot. It's like trying to figure out who's the most disgusting outta Oprah, Rosie O'Donell, Sigourney Weaver, Glenn Close and Kurt Warner's wife.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 04:56 PM) Based on what? Wins? He really was our best pitcher (not saying a whole lot).

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 03:18 PM) The sneaky fastball, the not so sneaky fastball, the slower fastball that moves a bit, and the meatball. LMAO!

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 03:03 PM) Did I just hear that right on the Score, Hendry saying he might think about putting Cotts in the starting rotation?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! He'd be their #2 starter if the season started today.

I like the deal. I like Neal, but as others have said, 2005 was probably your classic fluke year. He'll more than likely never duplicate those numbers (although he's in the worse than garbage NL central now). As one who watches Cubs games every now and then (Yes, I admit I watch sometimes), I liked what I saw from Aardsma. I know he was pretty lights-out the last 6-8 weeks of the season. I don't know jack about the other guy we got. So I've got nothing to say about him. QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) I wouldn't be surprised if this was another case where Coop thought there was something with David that he could fix and let Kenny know, ala Thornton. This is definitely a wait and see deal but I trust Kenny's judgement even though initially I'm not a huge fan of this deal. Pretty much. I remember how all of us reacted (especially Cheat) when we traded for Thornton. Let's give this guy a chance.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 09:58 PM) I really wouldn't mind seeing Frank hit that 500th homer against us...at home. What true Sox fan wouldn't? I wouldn't even care if it beat us that particular game. lol. And I'm very happy to see that once again Frank won't be in our division. We saw what he did to us in 6 games. I want no part of him for 15-19 games.

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I don't have much to say. I'll just say I agree with Fathom. The Vaz/Young trade will look even more pathetic if this horses*** trade goes down. And I want to know what the f*** Anderson did to warrant booting his ass after one year.

QUOTE(beautox @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 12:54 AM) Crawford is a wonderful talent, but pitching is key for us to sustain sucess in this divsion. I'd prefer to keep a Pelfry, McCarthy and a Clippard. Pelfry has #1 stuff, and both Clippard and McCarthy could be #2s at the very least #3s, add in Broadway, and Locking up MB and maybe even JG longterm and we stay competitive. Even with the strugles of pods, ba and uribe we still won 90 wins, if we can get a little more consistantcy out of SS(Omar) and brian, and so long as we have a body with a pluse out in LF that can catch the ball we schould be fine. Its our pitching that needs help. Early in the year we didn't know if thornton was going to be a bust or not, and hermanson didn't come back, add in Cliff getting hurt and neal forgetting how to pitch, along with the sick joke that was nelson and montero and are BP was horrible. Thats not going to be the case next year, the BP schould be very solid, and i expect us to be in the thick of it till late sept provided we get league avg starting pitching. I get what you're saying. I just don't think we can get to the playoffs next year with multiple young/unproven arms in the rotation (I'm assuming you have Pelfrey in the rotation).

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 12:45 AM) No money has changed hands of yet. If a deal is struck, the Red Sox would be inclined to send over $51.1 million dollars. If a deal is not struck, then as we currently sit, no money would be done away with. Thanks