Jordan4life_2007

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 10:47 PM) As Balta suggested, you can't use this argument -- at all -- considering Danks and Masset haven't proven s***. I don't think that's his point. In B-mac, Danks and Massett -- you have 3 highly touted, extremely talented pitchers who haven't really proven anything at the major league level. But many are acting like Brandon is proven.

This just in: LaDainian Tomlinson DID NOT score a TD! I repeat, he DID NOT score a TD!

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 04:29 PM) There may very well be another starting pitcher traded and I still think the Sox staff is looking strong and we will compete for #1 in 2007. There's no way in hell another starter can be traded now. Not unless Kenny was lying out his ass about trying to win it all in '07.

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 06:13 PM) Look I have nothing against Gavin Floyd, I've never met him nor do I really care to. I am just trying to warn everyone that he isn't a good pitcher. Most people here have him pinned as our future number 2 starter. There is a reason the Phillies gave him up. He was a thrown-in player in the Garcia trade. Check the numbers, he is all hype and has not, as of right now, shown that he is even an option for the pen. All I am saying is don't get your hopes up on this guy because he has been a major bust so far. He is not even in McCarthy league as a pitch, talk about giving up the long ball, I think he's worse at it the BMac. He's like 23, right? Hard to deem somebody a bust at that age. Not everybody comes up right away and flourishes.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 05:17 PM) I would almost count on a veteran SP being brought in. I'd love to bring in Pineiro cheaply. Not necessarily to win the job, but insurance never hurt. Let's face it, I think we'll see 3 pitchers make a start in the 5th spot this season. Hopefully one steps up. I'm not so sure. Kenny said one of the reasons they felt Brandon was expendable is because they felt they already had guys that could give them similiar production. Then again, it's hard to take anything Kenny says at face value.

My favorite part of the article. History-changing? And the idiot doesn't even realize he answered his own question.

Ron Dayne? LMAO@the Colts.

QUOTE(shipps @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 04:03 AM) Yes KW history is good.But Texas history of finding pitching talent has been pretty bad also. I respect your opinion, shipps, but I'm not gonna hold the fact that the Rangers haven't been able to develop pitching against Danks and Massett. I think both guy have a chance to be REAL good. s***, what pitching have we truly 'developed' over the last 4-5 years?

QUOTE(shipps @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 03:34 AM) Whether the trade works out good for us or not,who knows.But it sure is exciting stuff to see our GM makes things happen and is willing to put his ass on the line.But i do think KW has gotten a little too cocky. Let's see: Juan Uribe for Aaron Miles. We won that trade. Freddy Garcia for Jeremy Reed, Miguel Olivo and Michael Morse. We won that trade. Jose Contreras for Estaban Loazia. Good god did we win this trade. Scott Podsednik for Carlos lee. We won this trade for atleast one year. Happens to be the year that we won our first title in like 200 years. Matt Thornton for Joe Borchard. LMAO! I think we won this trade. So as you can see, Kenny has more than a proven history of coming through on trades the last few years. For now, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

QUOTE(shipps @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 03:21 AM) Man!What ever happened to KW saying there wouldnt be any major changes in the off season?This has been one of the most surprising offseasons i could remember.I dont think i can emotionally handle any more of KW moves. Haven't we learned over time not to put any real stock in what KW says in regards to potential trades? I'm not surprised at all another starter was moved. I'm surprised it was B-Mac. But I love what we got back in return.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 02:21 AM) With all the prospects we have, I would make the knuckleballer our fifth starter. And if I was Boone Logan, I'd be working on correspondence courses to get my college degree, assuming he has none. Cause I hope to never see that guy pitch in Cell Field ever again. I for one think Boone Logan is gonna be damn good. I've seen enough 'flashes' from him to come to my conclusion. The stuff is there.

Good lord is Brandon McCarthy overrated on this site. And I was a big fan of the guy.

Well, I just read through the entire 40 pages of this thread. I will say I was absolutely shocked when I first heard of this deal on the radio. I was very pissed and dissapointed. However, now that I've had a chance to really break the deal down, I feel we come out winners. Look, I like Brandon a lot, but other than a 4 or 5 start stretch late in the 2005 season, what has he really done? Will Brandon be good? I think so. But I don't understand why many are acting like we gave up a sure-fire 15-18 game winner for a couple of bums. Danks has better stuff than McCarthy has or ever will have. Add in Bassett, and there's no way we don't win this deal. I don't even care about the other guy. I fully expect him to suck. If not, all the better. As far as 2007 goes? Will see. As many have pointed out, Kenny is more than likely not done dealing. And, I like Haeger a lot. I think he can give us pretty solid production out of the 5th spot. The bottomline: If our playoffs hopes for '07 rested on McCarthy, we weren't s*** to begin with. If Buehrle, Garland and Contreras all pitch like they're capable, combined with Javy solving his 5th-6th inning debacles, will be in damn good position to make the playoffs. Even without great numbers from our #5 starter. I absolutely love how Kenny has loaded up on these young arms for the future. In this market, that's crucial, IMO. Let's atleast wait until spring training to truly judge what Kenny has done.

QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Dec 24, 2006 -> 02:35 AM) KC played us tough last year, but in 2005 we won the first 11 or so games against them. And when did Minnesota lose Johan? I'm positive he meant Liriano.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 22, 2006 -> 11:28 PM) David Lee is actually turning into a very nice double / double machine. If Isiah would actually just play the kids (Nate, Lee, Frye, Balkman, Curry), in a couple of years the Knicks would actually probably be pretty good. ? QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 01:10 AM) Agreed, except on Balkman........I don't see much in him, but that's JMO. And the Suns 15 game winning streak is OVA....they lose in OT to the Wiz as Gilbert scores 54. Arenas is sick.

Happy B-day to the only Willie Harris fan in the country.

QUOTE(whitesox1976 @ Dec 23, 2006 -> 12:30 AM) Shannon Stewart wouldn't be bad either. He's just about done. Too many injuries. I was looking at some clips of Preston Wilson on MLB.com earlier. His defense is better than I thought. He's not a gold glover by any means. But he can more than hold down anyone of the 3 OF spots. He's got power, speed, and hits lefties very well. He'd be ideal. I hope Kenny is looking into him.

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Dec 22, 2006 -> 06:22 AM) With Backup catcher off the "Want - Need" list, here are a few FAs still remaining: Leftfielder/Centerfielder: Shannon Stewart - LF, $6.5Mil 2006 Salary (Lifetime .364 OBP) Steve Finley - CF, $7Mil 2006 Salary (Lifetime .333 OBP) Todd Hollandsworth - LF, $900k 2006 Salary (Lifetime .328 OBP) Preston Wilson - LF, $4Mil 2006 Salary (Lifetime .330 OBP) Darin Erstad - CF, $8.75Mil 2006 Salary (Lifetime .341 OBP) LHP Reliever: Eddie Guardado - LHP, $6.25Mil 2006 Salary Arthur Rhodes - LHP, $3.7Mil 2006 Salary Scott Schoeneweis - LHP, $2.75 206 Salary Other Relievers: Dan Kolb - RHP, $2Mil 2006 Salary Ryan Franklin - RHP, $2.6Mil 2006 Salary That's one terrible list. The only guy that would make any kinda sense is Wilson. And I'm not sure he would be down with a reserve role. QUOTE(spiderman @ Dec 22, 2006 -> 04:13 PM) That sounds like a bargain in this free agent market - I'm not sure how he is defensively, but he can't be any worse than Pods - of course, if we did sign him, and he played LF, who would bat lead off then ? Free agent Aubrey Huff has reportedly lowered his asking price from $36 million for four years to $23 million for three. I'll taken my chances on Pods rebounding over Aubrey Huff, a guy who's been in decline every year since 2003, (aka when steroid testing was implimented) in LF. Especially at 7+ million dollars a year for 3 years. Yuck.

How many people showed up at the Sox parade? Like 2 million, right? Well, let's just say the Bears had a championship parade that same day. The Sox parade would have had about as many people as the Cell does when the Royals come to town in April. Chicago belongs to the Bears.

If only Zook could coach like he recruits.

Knicks win again on a backwards tip-in by David Lee at the buzzer in double ot. Sixers and Grizzlies both lose again, of course. It's still early, and a lot can still happen, but I think Bulls fans should put to rest any hopes of landing Oden. I'm not even sure a top 3 pick is realistic.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Dec 20, 2006 -> 08:08 PM) I had to press pauses to catch my breath after laughing so hard. I have not laughed that hard in a long time. I totally lost it at the end during the Jason Marquis part.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Dec 20, 2006 -> 07:30 PM) If we can get rid of this pitcher... GS W L IP H R ER HR BB K ERA 32 10 12 194 256 139 136 43 45 105 6.31 we'll be fine... The pitcher in question is Jark Buehrland. Obtained by combining Jon Garland's line from opening day until July 1 with Buehrle's line from July through the end of the season. Move that to an league average pitcher 4.6 ERA, and you've got yourself a division championship last season. LOL@Cheat. Jark Buehrland. I like that. That's a damn good point, though. We can't have multiple starters going weeks, or in Jon and Mark's cases, months, in which they're doing their very best Jamie Navarro impersonations. Not if we want to win the best divison in baseball, anyway.

L M A O !

LOL. C'mon, guys. Jimbo's not that bad.