Jordan4life_2007

Stop it, Spurs. This is just violent now.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 10:04 PM) In the 90s? You think so, huh. Dude, please, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. You tried to call me out on the 80s, but couldn't back it up with proof (as always). I even said lebron would definitely be successful in the 80s because of how it was played (pace and such). Whatever, I just couldn't resist the making a jab at lebron and that was my fault. We can ignore each other again. Proof? Take your lazy ass to bball reference. I'm not typing out all these numbers when there right there for you. The 90's was a slow-it-down to a snails pace style with teams totally diluted by a 6-team expansion. Offenses are so much more advanced now. Look at what the Spurs are doing right now. This is pure basketball. Thugball Pacers/Knicks is out.

This is an full-blown aerial assault. Jesus.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:56 PM) Please quote me when I said 80s defense was better. Thanks. lol. You've been jackin' off to hand-checking, more physical, tougher, blah, blah, for as long as you've been here. Exactly one team played that style.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:49 PM) Missing the game. Since Lebron is a better scorer than Mike (he would average 45 in the 80s, right? mike couldn't even do that) can you tell me how many points this insane scorer has. Also, what's he averaging for the series. Haven't checked. Ha. Don't get mad because your defense was better in the 80's crap was debunked. Even the worst teams in the league scored over 100 ppg. Get outta here.

This is just beautiful basketball by the Spurs. Crisp passing, ball movement, every player on the floor a threat from deep other Duncan.

Ha. Heat are in trouble. This reeks of '11.

QUOTE (lord chas @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:40 PM) Green and Miller are on fire As is Neal. Incredible 3-point shooting displays

Man, Dennis Rodman is a bigger f***in' moron than I ever thought. I'm looking at some of the numbers high-scoring small forwards put up during the 80's. What the f***? Benard King, Alex English, Kiki Vndeweghe, Adrian Dantley. lol. They were shooting like 55% from the field (lol@hand-checking). Defense in the 80's was non-existent. It was a whole lot of lay-up drills and uncontested jumpers. Nobody even challenged shots in the 80's outside of Detroit and maybe 3 other teams. LeBron would've averaged 45 ppg in the 80's.

Somebody must've prayed for Dunn tonight. I ain't seen this since '09.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 10:05 PM) Well, at least MLB is happy, with so many superstars in LA. Kershaw, Adrian Gonzalez, Crawford, Hanley Ramirez, Kemp, Hamilton, Trout, Pujols, Puig, Jared Weaver. Doesn't matter. Baseball is god-awful at marketing. And the G.O.A.T. is already 2/2 tonight.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 07:34 PM) There are only 24 players put onto the All-Star team. If you are making the ASG, you are pretty much a superstar in the NBA. Sorry. Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, Brook Lopez and David Lee are not superstars.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 07:29 PM) Fortunately, you no longer have to respect bigs when they are near the basket That's because the game has changed. Young bigs are being taught a different skill-set at younger levels and bringing it to the pros. Dirk is a tougher match-up than Charles Barkley was. Better player? No. But it's harder to defend a guy that can kill you inside and out vs a guy that's going to try back you down for 10 seconds.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 06:17 PM) Garnett was playing in the mid 90's and was a superstar by 97. No way. All-star? Yes. Superstar came 3-4 years later.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 05:56 PM) I'll give you KG and Odom, but both of those guys aren't doing much of that anymore. I'm obviously getting a completely different definition from that phrase than you are. Aldridge does basically zero ball-handling, I have no idea where you're going with that. It's similar for Dirk and Cousins. Gasol is a nice passer, but he's not exactly going to kill you on the drive if he catches it in the high post. Hell, someone like Toni Kukoc fits that description better than most of those guys, and he was pretty marginal. Outside shooting has definitely changed things, but it's not like your average point guard is 6'7" now. These guys are threats now. You have to respect it. You didn't have to respect 90's bigs in that way outside of like 3 of 'em.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 05:43 PM) How exactly is Dirk a guy that "puts it on the floor and creates"? I must have missed all these plays where he catches the ball on the wing and drives to the rim. A huge percentage of his shots are post-ups and catch-and-shoot jumpers. 2.6 assists per game doesn't exactly scream "creator" either. Bosh at least drives a little more (or more accurately, used to), but nowhere near of the frequency of your average "ball-handler". Hakeem was a better ball-handler than either of them, I still wouldn't call him a guy that "puts it on the floor and creates space." I guess so. But he sure can do it. Not as much now. But in his prime? Hell yeah. Not that I pay attention to anything Michael Jordan says when it comes to evaluating talent (he's awful at it). But he said the only players today that could dominate in his era are LeBron, Kobe, Duncan and Dirk. Dirk has one of the most unique skill-sets for his size ever. Bosh? It's easy to pick on him now. But in his Raptor days, definitely. At the very least certainly more of a threat in that regard than the Horace Grant's, Charles Oakley's, and Dale Davis's of the world.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 05:19 PM) Name two of those. The only one that I can think of is Kevin Durant. Lebron, George, Josh Smith, ect are all 6'8"/6'9" much like 80's/90's players like Magic, Bird, Scottie, Schrempf off the top of my head. Durant, Dirk, Bosh, Gasol, KG, Odom (yes, he sucks now. but he was the 6th man of the year just two years ago), Aldridge, Cousins. Of course, Durant is the only player here that's in his prime. The others are either past their prime, too young or just fallen off a cliff. Fact is we've seen all these guys in a relatively short amount of time.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 12:13 PM) I wouldn't say "better". He'd still be a superstar, but we've seen what can happen if you're physical with him. Lebron is bigger and more athletic than everyone he plays now, but he occasionally goes through stretches where he can't get to the rim and basically stops trying to score. He starts becoming a passer and doesn't shoot it unless he's within 5 feet of the rim or it's a wide open jumper. See the 2011 Finals, the last two games and chunks of the Chicago and Indiana series (yeah, he still was quite good in those last two, especially against Indiana. I mean he does have 4 MVP's). Teams in the 90's packed the paint a lot more (watch Michael against the Pistons or Knicks sometime) and had big men a lot more imposing than Chandler and Hibbert. He'd likely have to lean on his jumper more, which is good but not great. It's nitpicking to the highest degree since he'd still be at the top of the league with MJ (and arguably Hakeem/Shaq, but I hate big/small arguments), but I honestly think Durant's game would translate a little better offensively. Durant is a much better jumpshooter and teams in that era definitely had stretches where they conceeded the long jumper (Depending on how teams tried to guard him of course. Under the "Jordan Rules", he'd have issues because he can struggle to get open. If they guard him like Chris Mullin, he'd do well). Lebron would still be better overall because of his ball-handling and defensive versatility though. Of course teams packed the paint more back then. You could do that and get away with it. The 3-point shot has evolved into the most dangerous weapon in the game. Players are taking and making WAY more 3's at better percentages than at any point in the 90's, let alone the 80's. It all started with the D'antoni Suns. Try to pack the paint today and you're gonna get blitzed from the outside more times than not. All these stretch fours, something that didn't exist in the 90's outside of I guess Cliff Robinson, and 6'10+ guys that can actually put the ball on floor and create makes for better spacing. Those Pistons/Knicks tactics would fail miserably in the modern era.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 12:28 AM) I'm sure you have nothing to do with it being awful... I'm the best thing to ever happened to this thread. Without me, this thread is a bunch of middle-aged homers crying about referees every single day of the year. QUOTE (chicagostatecougars @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 12:34 AM) Lebron is a tremendous player and a Hall of Famer. But his efficiency definitely would go down with handchecking, physical play, hard fouls and more elite shot blockers protecting the paint. Not too crazy right? Not even close. Putting your hands on the most physically gifted player the game has ever seen wouldn't mean a thing. He'd even be better against inferior, one dimensional athletes, and no zone defense. QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 9, 2013 -> 03:05 AM) The 90's Stars: PG: Payton, Stockton, Hardaway, Johnson, Price SG: Jordan, Drexler, Dumars, Richmond, Miller SF: Pippin, Hill, Wilkins, Mullin, Schrempf PF: Malone, Barkley, Rodman, Kemp, Grant C: Olajuwon, Ewing, Mourning, Shaq, Robinson To say that LeBron would be a third team All-NBA with Pippin, Hill, Malone, and Barkley is not THAT outrageous. C'mon, q. You weren't even a fetus when most of these guys were playing. Other than Jordan, LeBron trumps every player here without question. Mark Price? C'mon, dude. People like to make fun of Nash and his d. Who's Price checking today? lol. I will respond to Zoom and Booqua (amazing that he actually came with something besides piggybacking zoom) in detail later when I'm sober.

QUOTE (chicagostatecougars @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 05:33 PM) Gotta disagree with Rodman. Lebron would still be good in the 90s. I see him as a 3rd (maybe 2nd) team all-NBA type guy. 21-23 ppg on lower efficiency but still very effective. Probably behind Pippen in terms of defensive impact but then again Pippen is easily the GOAT defensive small forward. LMAO. Not ONE reply? This thread is awful.

Zoom, I was referring to the '96 Supersonics. Not the '91 Lakers. Jenks said LeBron is great but to reach his true potential he would've had to play in the 80's. Jason said the only team that could even bother the Bulls since '98 are the Shaq/Kobe Lakers. Wite said the Heat couldn't break 85 ppg with handchecking against the Bulls. Nobody disagreed. Let me say something that can even be mistaken for anti-Bulls or anti 90's, my stalkers commence. This is a homer thread and everybody knows it. Mex, John Starks was garbage. An all-star or close to all star sg by 90's standards because the position was garbage. Other than MJ, there was no sg that could shoot, put the ball on the floor/penetrate, and create for teammates. Clyde Drexler was the closest but he couldn't even dribble with his left hand. The Knicks were nasty defensively and could board. But they were complete tools on the offensive end and were exposed every year (couldn't even win when MJ was gone).

http://pweb.netcom.com/~bjalas/basketball/bulls/love.htm Wilt said a lot more than this in his book. Rodman's comments mean nothing. That's just what old folks do.

Well, I hate to be that guy again - but I will. 1:So, 54 year old/old-timer comes out publicly and says his era was tougher, this era sucks, LeBron would be average, yadda, yadda, yadda. Gee, what a shock! Past players are always going to pump up their own era while dismissing others. The things Wilt used to say about Michael and his era? Sheet. 2: Who the f*** from the 80's is checkin' LeBron? lol. He'd be the biggest player on the court by far with athleticism and a skill-set at his size nobody had ever seen. He'd force multiple rule changes by himself. LeBron would f***in' destroy the 80's. 3: Now I do concede I drink a lot. But I don't recall the Bulls ever sweeping through a post-season. They did lose every now and then. They damn near lost to a team with John Starks as it's second best player. They needed 6 games to beat a team that employed Ervin (don't ever call him Magic) Johnson as it's starting C. They needed superhuman efforts from MJ to beat a team (the Jazz) who ran out a 6'1 white SG, a 7'0 sloth at C and Bryon Russell. The Bulls never saw a team during their entire run as good as the Heat. This notion that the Bulls would sweep the Heat by an average of 25 ppg is ridiculous and blatant homerism at it's finest. 4: People need to stop acting like hand-checking is the equivalent to steroids in baseball. It is not a skill to hold, grab, shove, jab and molest somebody. If the internet and social media had been around in the 80's, everybody would be cursing the league for allowing that type of defense to be played. Look at how you guys b**** about the refs now. lmao. stop it. 5: Not only would the Heat present a ton of problems for the Bulls, but so would every NBA champion since '07 save for the '11 Mavs. Duncan by himself is a major issue (especially the '07 version). Bowen is one of the top 5 on-ball, lockdown defenders of the last 20 years. Yes, Michael's gonna get his. But Bowen is a little better on D than Byron Scott, Hersey Hawkins, Craig Ehlo, Dan Majerle and Jeff Hornacek. Parker and Ginobili's quickness, athleticism and skill-sets on the perimeter could/would cause major problems. Especially if we're talking the late 90's Bulls (early 90's is different). the '08 Celtics would also cause problems. That team for that year was every bit as good defensively as any of those Bulls teams (check the numbers). And guess what?!!! They did IT WITHOUT handchecking!!! yayyyy. KG and his size, length, and skill-set would be a problem. Pierce/Allen/Rondo would be better than anything the Bulls saw. They'd be able to throw Pierce, Posey or Tony Allen, all three being good to great defenders at MJ. '09/'10 Lakers. The Bulls would be at a major disadvantage size wise against that freak of a Laker front-court. Kobe's going to come as close as anybody to matching Jordan. Already covered the Heat. I am not saying ANY of these teams would beat the Bulls. But to act as if they could just rollover every recent NBA champ? Get the f*** outta here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 01:12 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodgers-5-bra...36394--mlb.html Puig game story. Can you imagine if he was doing this for the White Sox, how crazy everyone would be going? Haven't had that level of excitement about an individual player for at least four seasons now, since the Beckham rookie year. Too bad baseball sucks ass at marketing it's stars. Not that this guy is a star - yet. The talent influx that's hit baseball the last 4-5 years, Stras, Kershaw, Darvish, Harper, Trout, Machado, McCutchen, etc, has been incredible. These guys should be household or on their way to becoming household names. Outside of hardcore baseball fans and fantasy geeks, these guys are relatively unknown.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 11:34 PM) Opposite field grand slam for Puig. Also, another horrible umpire call, this time in Colorado. I'm hooked. I don't care that it's only been a few games. Move over Carlos Gonzalez. I'm gay for Puig. This guy's got to be bigger than Kobe in LA right now.