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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:53 PM) I don't like the heat. The thing is I have hated the pacers for 25 years now. Miami shouldn't be in a real series with this team, especially with Danny Granger out. I'll agree with you if they actually lose. In your mind, if they don't go fo, fo, fo, fo, they're vastly underperforming. Nobody cares how many games it takes you to win the title as long as you win it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:45 PM) Neither the pacers or the Bulls should ever be in a series with the talent Miami has. In this series Miami has the three best players on the floor. What else do you call a team that is underachieving its talent this much? If it were the Sox you'd be creaming for a sell off. Dude, just say you don't like the Heat and leave it at that. And you got me confused with Marty.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:39 PM) You sound like Steven A How does a defending champion have no guts? lol. You just totally danced around the fact the Heat were "knocked in the face" three times last year and still won it. If they lose, it won't be because they're gutless.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:37 PM) The Heat have no guts. They have tons of talent, but no guts. You sound like Hawk, dude.

QUOTE (Boogua @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:34 PM) He's averaging 23 and 12 over 4 games this series. He's dominating them. He's playing well. I'll give it up. Now keep doing it and win the series.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:30 PM) No surprise at all in this series. The Pacers are the Bulls with more talent. Miami just doesn't have the guts to play a real playoff series. Punch them in the mouth and they don't like it. You mean like last year when they were down 2-1, 3-2 and 1-0 in successive series? Let's not get excited yet. Making it a tough series and actually winning it are two very different things (90's Knicks)..

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:27 PM) Hibbert has played well this series. He should, Miami has no C. He's stayed out of foul trouble tonight. He rarely ever plays 40 minutes (he averages under 30 for the season). edit: he's actually had a few 40 minute games this playoffs. Interesting.

Well, the Spurs are going to get like a week off now. That bodes well for their older guys.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ May 28, 2013 -> 10:17 PM) I highly doubt that, Cleveland never played like Miami did in Game 3. Wade has been horrible but the Heat have other weapons. He's either legitimately hurt or he really is slowing down. He plays well in spurts now. That's about it.

LeBron must feel like he's in Cleveland again. Wade is terrible. He's been wack all playoffs.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ May 28, 2013 -> 01:37 AM) I've been to those websites and a couple of other basketball forums as well and the consensus in all of those is that MJ was the best ever and generally his GOAT competition consists of KAJ, Wilt and to a lesser extant, Bird, Magic and Russell. Sorry J4L but Kobe isn't regarded that high up. LeBron will enter that class by the time he is done. Kobe won't. SMH at the notion that it's mostly only Bulls homers put MJ on top of GOAT discussions... lmao. Dude, where did I say Michael wasn't the greatest of all-time? QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 28, 2013 -> 08:14 AM) GMAB, you made a terrible argument based on a few games in Kobes career and Zoom destroyed you with facts, and you fall back on "This is homer central, everyone is defending michael like their life is on the line" awful Since when is, like, 40 a few games?

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ May 27, 2013 -> 11:05 PM) I think J4L needs to go back and refresh his memory about just how dominating MJ was. Kobe IS NOT on MJ's level and never was and never will be. And to clarify when I called Kobe a chucker, I didn't mean it so much as a volume shooter (though he does shoot a lot), I meant it in the sense that he forces a lot of shots instead of playing within the offense. He's famous for making tough jumpers but most don't go in, in the end, they weren't good shots and PJax alluded to such recently. Instead of chucker I should of said "bad shot selector":p See, this is what I'm talking about. I say Kobe is better than MJ at one thing and suddenly I've forgotten how ice he (MJ) was. People, Michael doesn't care about you like that. Stop protecting him like you've got something invested in it. If you made Michael mad, he'd probably call you a flaming f***ing f**got just like he did Kwame Brown (yet people hate LeBron more for the Decision). QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 27, 2013 -> 11:28 PM) In his defense, he's never said Kobe was better, just a "more explosive scorer". I realize that distinction won't help his case in most situations. I'm going to try to stay out of future ones, but Jordan/Kobe gets on my nerves. Of course it won't help me here. This is homer Bulls central. A neutral site like realgm or insidehoops and plenty of people would agree with me (and disagree).

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ May 27, 2013 -> 10:58 PM) I think he's making it simple like it should be: Everyone in the organization that needs to be on the case is on the case. Everyone. So I assume there is this area of struggle in the minds of the FO being that so many years and efforts have been invested in the development of TF. Nobody thought he was going to be THIS bad or show such an inability to progress even slightly. And now with wonder boy coming outa nowhere in AAA the temptation to completely can TF has presented itself. It seems like a sucky place to be if you're in the FO. Anyone can look up Phegley's stats. Can he block balls in the dirt? Can he make more contact than TF? Does a cup of piss taste any better than a cup of s*** when you're starving? I've never tasted s***, but I've accidentally drank urine while intoxicated. I'll just go ahead and assume piss tastes better.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 27, 2013 -> 08:21 PM) Says the guy that doesn't ever seem to care about what happened last week much less last decade. Do I really need to go dig up the 63 pointer against the Celtics? The shrug game? The double-nickel against the Knicks when he started the year playing baseball? The reason I made the Nolan Ryan comment is you seem to be caught up in what Kobe did in single games here and there. Congrats, you lit up the Raptors in a meaningless regular season game. While impressive, it doesn't really mean anything other than you had a good night. He's played over 1,200 regular season games, and you're focusing on stuff he did in like 5 of them. Guys like David Thompson, Reggie Miller and Tracy McGrady have done ridiculous things as well. 5 of them? Kobe has 3 months ('03, '06, '07) of 40+PPG. Michael's never done that. Ok. I'm really done now.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 27, 2013 -> 08:12 PM) Sure there is: let him take it and laugh the 70% of the time it doesn't go in. Not when Kobe's at his hottest. But I digress. I'm sick of old vs new vs old vs new. Youtube is your friennd. The proof is all there. I'm out.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ May 27, 2013 -> 07:51 PM) And yet, in significantly fewer games, Jordan had more 50 point games than Kobe and way more 40 point games. Jordan also scored 40 plus 9 straight times in his 86-87 season and scored 40+ 37 times that year (which included 8 50+ games which is more than Kobe ever had in a single season). And yet, Michael didn't spend the first 8 years of his career with everybody telling him to shoot less and pass the ball to Shaq. Michael was easily the more efficient/consistent scorer. Explosive/binge scoring is different. I don't see the disconnect here. Michael's never had 50 points going into the 4th quarter to my knowledge. Kobe's done that at least 5 times that I can remember. I don't recall (though I will check) Michael having multiple months of 40+ ppg. Michael's never scored 30 in a quarter. The game against the Knicks where Kobe set the garden record, he played like 35 minutes. When Kobe is at his absolute hottest, it's the most ridiculous thing ever. That's not a knock on Mike. Mike's game was FT line and below. Kobe handles/handled the ball more and was more perimeter shooting oriented. There's no defense for 28 foot 3's. That's what Kobe does when he's at his hottest.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 27, 2013 -> 07:24 PM) You posted something like he's arguably a "more explosive scorer" than MJ using a couple isolated incidents, which is a ludicrous statement. It's like arguing that Nolan Ryan is the most "unhittable" pitcher because he had 7 no-hitters. lol. what the hell? And what do you mean a couple? Are you serious? You need to go check bball reference or something. Hell, Kobe did it to Mike himself (yes, the old, fat brokedown version) his last year. He had like 45 points and 9 threes in the first half (check youtube).

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 27, 2013 -> 06:29 PM) Kobe's a career 33.6% 3-point shooter. That's a very mediocre percentage. Michael's was 32.7%, not exactly a huge trump card. Shooting a bunch of 3's doesn't mean you're good at them. Michael's CAREER scoring average was 30.1 PPG, Kobe only has 3 years that touch that. MJ was even more ridiculous in the playoffs, upping his scoring to over 33 a game without hurting his TS%. Kobe's career high in TS% was 58, MJ has 6 seasons that exceed that total (and another at 57.9). Seriously, I have a strong desire to injure people that put MJ and Kobe in the same discussion (regardless of context). Kobe is/was a damn good player, but he's not on the same tier. He's basically 90% of MJ. We'll see about Lebron in 5 years or so. What's Michael's percentage when you take away the three years the line was moved in from '95-'97? It's pretty common knowledge that Kobe is the better long-range shooter (Joe Dumars, Phil Jackson, Tex Winter, Jim Cleamons all testified to this). Anyway, I had to go back and re-read all the posts from today to figure out how this turned into MJ vs Kobe. Mex implied that because Kobe has only two scoring titles that he's not that great a scorer. Which is ridiculous when you consider the circumstances Kobe has played under most of his career. Like I said before, MJ > Kobe all day. But when it comes to binge scoring - Kobe > MJ. And that's because of his range.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 27, 2013 -> 03:09 PM) Don't forget the defense/hand check rule changes that happened right after Jordan retired and right before Kobe's era. That deservedly gets held against Kobe by people who know the game. Or people that are forever trying to protect Jordan's legacy as if he's paying their bills or something (I used to do that until about 2008). In 2003, a full two years before the NBA started cracking down on hard hand-checking, grabbing, molesting, etc - Kobe averaged 30/7/6 at 24 years old while having to share the rock with Shaq. 2003 was also one of the years that he had 9 straight games of 40+ points. MJ > Kobe. There's no doubt about that. But Kobe is Kobe, handchecking or otherwise.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ May 27, 2013 -> 12:36 AM) No, let's not get carried away. Bird won 3 straight MVPs. Bird's peak > Kobe's and it ain't close. Bird's 3 year MVP run is as good as any in NBA history. How many MVPs does Kobe have again? Kobe is suppossed to be this unstoppable offensive machine yet has exactly two scoring titles in more than a decade and a half years career I'll say it, Kobe is a chucker, (FG% was never his friend) takes too many bad shots, his "clutchness" is overrated (check for yourselves) and LeBron is already better than Bryant ever was. I don't use the "ring count" when judging players or else Robert Horry would be top 3 GOAT... My top 5 1. MJ 2. KAJ 3. Wilt 4. Magic 5. Bird Ok, Kobe spent the first 8 years of his career with arguably the most dominant C the game has ever known. When Kobe is free to do as he pleases, like MJ was his whole career, we saw s*** we never saw before in our lives. 81 points 62 in 3 quarters 9 games in a row of 40 points 4 games in a row of 50 points 35+ for a full season multiple months of 40+ppg Kobe is arguably the most explosive scorer we've ever seen. Yes, even over Mike. The 3-ball was never a big part of Mike's game. Kobe hit 12 in one game once. Kobe's never been a chucker. iverson? Francis? Baron Davis? Those are chuckers. No, Kobe's never been as efficient as MJ/LeBron. Because he's not as good as those guys. But Bird? I'll admit it's close. But Kobe's got more rings and the difference in defensive impact isn't close. And stop with the Robert Horry nonsense. Not just you. But everybody says that same dumb s***. Nobody on earth, even his own mother, thinks Horry is an all-time great.

Good god. For a team that prides itself on defense, this loss could be even more demoralizing for the Pacers than game 1. This is flawless offensive execution by the Heat.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 26, 2013 -> 08:42 PM) Some people don't get all starry eyed about the new and improved NBA and choose to respect the predecessors. Weird concept, I know In other words, one has 11 rings and the other is the logo. Got ya.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 26, 2013 -> 07:54 PM) For what it's worth, I got... 1. Jordan 2. Magic 3. Kareem 4. Wilt 5. Bird 6. Russell 7. Duncan 8. Shaq 9. Hakeem 10. LeBron 11. West 12. Kobe 13. Moses 14. Havlicek 15. Erving/Robertson Russell over Shaq? West over Kobe? How?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 26, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) Happy birthday fellas!

QUOTE (Boogua @ May 26, 2013 -> 05:28 PM) This is without question. There's an immortal 6 of Jordan, Russell, bird, magic, Kareem, and wilt though. Objectively? I think Duncan is the best big man of that group, but accomplishment wise those are the 6. Kobe doesn't belong anywhere near those guys either way. Kobe passed Magic/Bird after his 4th and 5th rings. Magic/Bird were liabilities defensively. Kobe (not now) but at his best was an all-league defender who could drop 55 on you whenever he felt like it.