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I'm shocked that Garcia' stock has hit rock bottom amongst fans.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Different gm. Point taken, although they do have the same personel for the most part.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That was Bartolo Colon. He's a little different than Freddy Garcia throwing 86, and it was a trade he can learn from. There are there differences between the two as you mentioned, but the deal was made completely mortaging the future of that Expos franchise, for a month or two of Colon. I think him being under contract for another year, regardless of what he's owed, is something that will spike his value. If the Mets thought they could change Victor Zambrano into a prize, they certainly think the same about Freddy Garcia? No?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I like how you won't believe the Milledge stuff that you read but you believe that Bmac was inches away from being shipped to Florida. I think things change. The mets are in a diar need for starting pitching, saying months prior that Milledge isn't available no longer has any meaning. Once again, things change.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, cuz that's the only place it was said... And your point was that it was never brought up before the Fenway series. Which "is just ridiculous". It has been reported everywhere. If you don't think it's true, bravo. But don't go trying to pass off crap to make your argument better. That wasn't my argument. I don't give a damn who said Milledge wasn't available, the same bulls*** was said about Grady Sizemore and the Indians netted alot more than just him alone for Colon. So don't try pass off crap and say that I'm arguing something im not.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just do a search on zito and milledge, and you'll find a slew of articles about just this from well before the Fenway series. So, no. Just because ESPN's Coors Light Cold Hard Facts said he wasn't available, doesn't mean he's completely off limits. Things change.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From everything I read, Zito would be available provided you gave Beane the right combo of players. Schmidt also might be available. Regardless, we are talking about Freddy Garcia. You might give him the tag of "best starting pitcher available" but that really is meaningless. We've both seen Garcia pitch for the entire season. There's no way in the world I would give up our best prospects (Anderson, Fields, McCarthy) to trade for him if some other GM made him available. And somehow in a similar situation last year, McCarthy was inches away from being shipped to the Marlns. Thats baseball. The White Sox couldn't rely on Hernandez in the fifth slot, needed some offense aswell, and almost got rid of there best prospect because of it. Thankfully they did not, but Omar Minaya's track record isn't as lucky, ala: June 27, 2002: Traded by the Cleveland Indians with Tim Drew to the Montreal Expos for Lee Stevens, Brandon Phillips, Cliff Lee, and Grady Sizemore.

Good post, Balta. Garcia, Vazquez; one of the two, will net some excellent talent if traded.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think it's going to be one or the other, not both. Correct-a-mundo.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Mets also got burned trading a phenom for a wash-up pitcher in 2004. Believe me, it will take more than Freddy Garcia to get Milledge away from the Mets, and if Milledge is available, there will be teams willing to part with pitchers more attractive than Garcia to acquire him. No, there won't be. Who is of more value than Freddy Garcia or Javier Vazquez? Zito isn't moving, Willis isn't moving. So who on earth are you referring to?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sure Kenny will try to get Lastings if at all possible but it's not possible. It's been said numerous times that Milledge isn't going anywhere and he especially isn't going to be traded for a pitcher who has been very average this season. Saying Lastings Milledge isn't available for Barry Zito is just ridiculous. That was an outburst after New York fans were calling for his head after the two errors he made in Fenway. If it nets them Zito, or better yet, a player whose going to be under contract next year ala Javier Vazquez or Freddy Garcia, Milledge will probably be available.

It's a no brainer, lose the goggles, agreeing with me doesn't mean the sky will fall. Omar Minaya has made worse trades in his career than Milledge, Sanchez for Garcia. That Bartolo Colon deal at the deadline was assanine. He's a terrible general manager, always has been, always will be. If there is a bidding war, he'll be the one to cave.

I liked this: Cincinnati Reds pitcher Bronson Arroyo said that even as a boy, A.J. Pierzynski was a feisty player whose obsession was winning. Arroyo knows because he and Pierzynski were 13-year-old teammates on a Pony League team in Brooksville, Fla. Arroyo pitched and played shortstop while Pierzynski caught and pitched. If the Pierzynski haters think his act is irksome now, with his endless facial expressions and his vigorous hand-clapping detailing his various moods, imagine him as an adrenaline-pumping youngster. “He’s had the same personality,” Arroyo said, “since he was 12.”

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Omar Minaya wouldn't do that trade. Well then he's going to go into the playoffs with a battered Pedro Martinez, an old Tom Glavine, and barely anyone else behind him. It's not like the Mets are in a position of power here. The White Sox are. You saw what the Reds did yesterday to acquire needs, the Mets and Omar Minaya certainly will do the same.

The White Sox won't trade one of the two unless they get a stunning deal. Would you do Lastings Milledge, Duaner Sanchez for Freddy Garcia? Add in Cliff Politte if necessary.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ugh. Did you read the post about his defense? Direct me to the post you're referring to.

Defintily get lower level seating. The Upper Deck seats restrict your experience, you'll still get to see a hell of a baseball team, but for your first time, walking around the park and taking it all in is the way to go.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You also have to realize those relievers aren't going to have the same ERA for the Reds as they're moving from a real pitcher's park at RFK to a real hitter's park at the Great American Ballpark. Will be interesting to see how they adjust to that. Good point. QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All I know is that if you would have told me the Reds would trade Lopez, Kearns, and Wagner, I would have expected them to get a lot better major league talent than what they acquired. In my opinion, that type of package could have gotten you guys like R. Soriano and another pitcher. I agree. The Reds should have and could have gotten more for what they gave up. Look no further than tonights Reds game to see why that team needs some bullpen help, and quick.

Everybody's reaction was the same at the beginning, and when you look at the name power involved it's an easy edge towards the Nationals. Still, Wagner has been terrible in triple-a, Lopez has had his troubles in Cincinatti, and Austin Kearns has been injured constantly. I just happen to think its a lot closer than people here seem to think.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I'm sure Chris Burke looks up to the sky and, when he doesn't see a roof, knows it's going to be an 0-for for that day... :rolly Haha. Great post. I love when people try and say "_______ is 5-67 against the Red Sox in his career, he's not going to perform well today"; ...As if that at-bat nine years ago against Mark Portugal has any effect on what he's going to do today. The guy's a former first round pick, he's still real young, gets on base effectively, has a little speed, and can play all over the field. He'd be an excellent upgrade over Brian Anderson, even with this recent surge of his.

It's not an ass rape, and anyone who thinks so doesn't follow enough baseball. Bray, Majewski are both above average relievers. The Reds had a terrible bullpen, and were terrible defensively. It makes sense to trade what you have depth at for something you don't have anything at. Kearns is putting together a good season, yes sir, and I think he'll continue to do that, but Bray's got closer material written all over him. I'd say its about even with a slight edge on pure talent, not precisely team need, going to Washington.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course he'd love the trade. He'll be playing every day now. He's truly one of my most despised players in all of baseball. Why hate Ryan Freel?

"I personally love it," Reds utility player Ryan Freel said. "I'm not knocking Kearns and Lopez, but we all knew that most of the problem has been with the bullpen."

Weren't the Reds one of the worst teams in baseball defensively? Man, an hour goes by, and I'm actually warming up to this deal. Go Cincinatti! http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5782006

Actually upon further review, I've warmed up to it. The Reds have a better chance at winning the division now post trade. I'd imagine Phillips will shift to short, Harris will play second, and Freel will finally have a spot in the outfield. Couple that with Majewski and Bray out of the pen. Congratulations, Cincinatti. You're now going to win the division.