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QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:22 PM) im gonna go ahead and take the low road on this one and submit this entire thread as exhibit A on why i hate boston sports fans. rnw, you instigated this arguement not fathom, and i dont read or post as much as others but fathom has always had my respect as one of the best posters on the site <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please. Share with us how I instigated this.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) Because, you come on here and knock the trade that we just made. When in fact, the points that you bring up are horses***. Cintron is just as good a player as your teams starting SS. He is cheaper, younger, and was had for nothing. You came on here just to bash the move for no reason. This is a f***ing pattern with you. If you stop with your Red Sox homerism bulls***, we will stop tearing up your horrible and uninformed posts. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why are we talking about my teams shortstop? Please, refresh my memory. I never once brought up anything in regards to the Red Sox. You did. My reasons for why this is not a fleecing and just an above average move were listed in my original post. I think it's a hefty dollar amount for someone of Cintron's caliber at his age, and considering he wasn't necessarily needed, I hate seeing Baj, a favorite of mine, leave this organization.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) Alex Gonzalez is possibly the best defensive shortstop in the game? Wow. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks for supplying us with some examples.

QUOTE(whitesoxin' @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) Are you a writer for the Boston Globe? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, I am not a writer for the Boston Globe.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) The whole argument we had about why you're on this White Sox site, and how we all feel you're purpose on here is to be the Red Sox apologist. Anyways, there's more important things for my fellow White Sox fans to focus on now. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITHOUT BAJ!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My purpose on soxtalk is to talk White Sox baseball and shoot the s*** with other respectable people. You aren't a respectable person, so you don't fall into this category.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:13 PM) :headshake wtf <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All questions in regards to why RockRaines and fathom are discussing the Red Sox should be asked towards them, not me. Thanks.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:14 PM) Redandwhite......I'm done with this argument. Good luck to your beloved Red Sox this year. I hope we can face them in the playoffs again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What are we arguing about? I'm still not even sure. You're the one who started it, so please inform me on what this argument is you're finishing.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) I'm not RNW but I'll answer this some...depends on what I need him for. If I need a starting SS and I have Manny and Big Papi, I take Alex, simply because I'm going to win more games with the defense than I am with a slightly better bat. If I have Uribe at shortstop and Iguchi at 2nd and want someone to come off the bench, I take Cintron, since I just need a serviceable backup who can carry a bat. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good post. Agreed.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) RNW, would you rather have Alex Gonzalez, or Alex Cintron? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think Alex Gonzalez is a better fit with this Red Sox team than Alex Cintron is. Gonzalez is a much better defender, possibly the best defensive short stop in the game and when you couple that with an already fabulous defensive infield, and an already potent offense, I think he's not only a better player, but fits better with this Red Sox line-up than Cintron would. Gonzalez was also had at a similar dollar amount and nothing was given up for him even if Baj virtually is nothing.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) You ruin every thread you join, of course you wanted to. Otherwise you wouldnt have scrolled back 8 pages to find something to quote. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I posted from school, I got home from school to read the responses. I have a life to lead. I can't sit on this damn website all day and night and respond exactly when posts are made. I never mentioned anything in regards to the Red Sox. Once again, you and fathom are the perpetrators in this instance.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 04:01 PM) I don't really see how this is a bad trade. Baj wasn't gonna get a shot here so we sent him somewhere where he might get a shot. He wasn't in the plans, losing him doesn't hurt the Sox at all. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree. It's virtually a no-risk, high reward deal, this just is hardly a fleecing when you consider the player and the salary swapping places.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:55 PM) Anyone saying we were going to now trade Iguchi and Contreras needs to stop playing XBox baseball, and get in touch with reality. Also, if my post was so stupid, then how come not a SINGLE poster on this board stated that they disagreed with what I said. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Get in touch with reality? Perhaps thats what I was hinting at when I told those people to calm down and to realize that this is a very mediocre player who makes a very hefty amount? Your post was uncalled for and just downright pathetic, which goes hand in hand with your track record here on soxtalk. I think many people would agree with me on that one. Hell, I bet Rock would even agree with me, regardless of how bias he thinks I am.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:59 PM) Wow. How can someone be selfish on a message board? Also, for someone that "pisses everybody off", I sure have a lot of people that enjoy talking with me in PM, etc. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You talk to people through PM. Congratulations, your prize has been shipped and will arrive in 3-5 business days.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:56 PM) I will enjoy watching him be flamed by you in no less than two years. Thanks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't want to ruin this thread, but it seems you and fathom have other ideas. What a shame. :headshake What leads you to believe he can't put up the numbers he put up last year, possibly better as he progresses as a human being off the field, while entering his prime years on it?

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) Wow, it's comical to see someone calling you a kid when you were born a decade before them. The funny thing redandwhite is that you used to act like you were a Red Sox and White Sox fan. Now, you're just a Red Sox apologist. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've stated my case on several occassions. I watch and follow the White Sox on a daily basis so I enjoy being a member of Soxtalk, even if the White Sox are not my number one team. Please, if you can't talk baseball in a constructive manner, don't talk to me. Go on being your unreasonable, selfish, arrogant, ignorant self and piss everybody else off.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 01:09 PM) Oh, if the Red Sox made this move it would have been the rip off of the century, Cintron would be a future superstar. BTW RNW, Cintron's career OBP is the exact same as Coco Crisp. Enjoy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That first statement is false. Again, please don't put words in my mouth. For the next six years, I will enjoy Coco Crisp. Thank you.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 01:18 PM) Fathom getting on somebody about always being negative? I definitely agree with you, though. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's easy to see why Fathom has as many posts as he has. Your better off talking to a brick wall than you are to that kid.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 01:19 PM) Let me guess, we're gonna regret trading Baj later. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't see the humor. I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 8, 2006 -> 01:06 PM) And this is one of the reasons some of us can't stand you on this site. Myself, and many others, are far from Sox homers. However, I'm sick of you constantly stating how every single move the Red Sox make is the greatest transaction ever. Also, if your cousin can't beat out Baj, then he doesn't deserve to make it to the big leagues (it's harsh, but it's true). I find it hillarious that you bring up a player's contract. Coming from a Red Sox fan, that's comical. No one is saying Cintron's a superstar. However, he's a very good bench player, and is versatile enough to fill in anywhere on the infield. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you out of your mind? Not one reference to the Red Sox and you come in with this bulls***. You are an absolute f***ing joke. It's hard to fathom how dumb you look with this post here. The fact of the matter is alot of people were calling this deal a fleecing and that the White Sox will now trade Iguchi/Contreras for Pujols. I simply pointed out that Cintron was making nearly two million dollars and the reason the deal was made is because the Diamondbacks didn't want to pay him, which contradicts some of the moves made by Kenny Williams this offseason. And for the record, what Red Sox move did I state was the 'greatest transaction ever?' The Beckett deal? Not the greatest, but easily one of the best moves of the offseason in the opinion of many. The Renteria deal? The Loretta deal? The Crisp deal? Not paying Damon outrageous amounts of money? The Red Sox had an excellent offseason, but thats been discussed many a times and won't be discussed further.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 7, 2006 -> 10:01 AM) I cant remember which game it was, but Bobby came out to "The Game", and it was awesome. I have no idea who sings it, but it was/is HHH theme music(havent watched wrestling in years....) They should stick with it, it was really coo.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Awesome idea. I love this song as an entrance. Jenks is the perfect fit.

Hold on for just a second here, guys. Alex Cintron had a .298 obp last year, and has a career .320 obp. he isn't perticularly fast and isnt a stolen base threat, he has no power, he's not a very good defensive player from what im looking at, and he's going to make nearly two million dollars this season. Personally, I think the Diamondbacks suck for trading away my cousin Jason last week and then today going out and acquiring Bajenaru, but at the same time this deal is hardly the fleecing you guys are making it out to be. The Marlins would have traded some AAAA fodder like the White Sox did had Cintron been reasonably priced, but he's far from it. Rotoworld brings up a good point in there disection.

I want to join a payable keeper league online, and recently checked out Yahoo Plus but it didn't seem very good. Does anyone know of an online place, perhaps espn, cnnsi, etc. that does keeper leagues and have enjoyed being in them for that service? Thanks for the help.

just reading that he's on campus made me throw up a little in my mouth...

this is shocking news. i'm stunned to say the least.

a botched lay-up for a Gonzaga win..