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If Red Sox are actually paying him 30+ million for us, that likely cost us another boatload of prospects. That sucks.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) This one actually hurts more for Boston, the total cost for Sale might be much higher than the $40 M surface value. Boston Sports Info ‏@bostonsportsinf 1h1 hour ago Remember..remember to add the $63 million it cost Sox to sign Yoan to the assets to get Chris Sale That's doesn't exactly help us. Hell, it probably hurt us.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Boston Sports Info ‏@bostonsportsinf 1h1 hour ago Chris Sale AL ranks since 2012 (min 100 GS) ERA - 1st WHIP - 1st CG - 1st SO - 1st OPS against - 1st alrighty then Ouch

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) Alright, so, who was the last Sox hitting prospect to succeed with the team? Aaron Rowand 15 years ago.

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) So, does Hahn get credit for this trade, or will KW somehow steal the show? If it works out, we credit Hahn. If it doesn't, we blame KW of course.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) Funny how Chicago media loves this, but I'm sure it's because they think it's what Theo would do 100% the reason

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:45 PM) 6. Luis Alexander Basabe, OF DOB: 08/26/1996 Height/Weight: 6’0” 160 lbs. Bats/Throws: S/R Drafted/Acquired: Signed August 2012 out of Venezuela for $450,000 2015 Stats: .243/.340/.401, 7 HR, 15 SB in 256 PA at short-season Lowell Future Tools: 60 speed, 60 glove, 55 arm, 50+ power Role: 50+—Solid-average regular in center field So, this is aggressive. Again. Basabe’s numbers weren’t terribly impressive, but the tools he showed (at times) sure as hell were. He’s got plus bat speed from both sides of the plate, and while there’s more present power from his natural right side, there’s enough strength to project above-average power from both sides of the plate. He’s shown the willingness to take a walk, but more than that, he’s able to work counts into his favor. While this puts him in a position to maximize his hit tool, the length in his swing pairs with those deep counts to result in plenty of strikeouts. He’s a plus runner who gets good jumps when attempting steals, so this could be a 30-plus stolen base player. Basabe is far more advanced defensively, and you could argue this is the best outfield glove in the system, even over the solid Benintendi. He’s not quite as efficient with his routes, but he’s more athletic and has a stronger arm. It’s strong enough that he could handle right field without any issues whatsoever. There’s lots of work to be done, but if everything goes right he’ll be another Boston player who you’d love to hit near the top of the lineup. It’s really not fair, is it? Bret Sayre’s Fantasy take: Somewhere, Wilson Karaman is maniacally laughing. Basabe is intriguing as an upside play and a potential power/speed outfielder in the mold of what some of us (cough, cough) thought Jake Marisnick might be on his way to becoming. He’s too raw to throw numbers on right now, but he’s a risk worth taking if you’re short-season diving. Major League ETA: 2019 Basabe looks pretty good to me! Low ball Toolsy position player that doesn't quite have the numbers to back up the hype? I bet he totally makes it with the Sox.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:46 PM) Moncada is the top prospect in baseball. He still wishes he was as good as Hawkins

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) I am the exact opposite. Sure we got the #1 prospect, but there is literally no reason to care about this team for years now. Pretty much. I know our season ticket group stretching back 40 years was officially disbanded last week. Doubt were alone. Sox are going to be in for an extremely rough time these next few years.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 52s52 seconds ago Chisox asked for benintendi, as everyone has (bos wants to keep). Chisox likes Jackie bradley Jr. Very much, and others This reads to me like the Red Sox are leaking this and saying, no AB you get JBJ. For posturing

Wonder if the Yankees would have any interest in Robertson to go along Gio. They're one of the harder teams to predict, especially when it comes to bullpen arms.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:49 AM) We'd all love Turner, Giolito, and Robles. Jesus christ people. Turner was like a 3.5 WAR player last year in 70+ games. He'll be a 5 WAR position player. Sale is a a 5-6 WAR pitcher. Trading Turner to acquire Sale doesn't really do anything for the Nationals. There is no chance that they do that and we'd all be better off not expecting it anymore. Giolito is best pitching prospect (outside of Urias) in baseball. Robles is a legit stud. They need other pieces for sure and I'm guessing would get them. Bregman isn't available. Red Sox seem to be out. You can totally tell who has done research and who just chooses to freak out by just reading this thread. And no matter how much you continue to talk down to or shout at other posters, it doesn't change change the fact that Chris Sale is one of the the most valuable commodities to ever hit the trade market. Believing other GMs at face value is an odd path to take here.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:20 AM) new fangraphs article on Giolito. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/why-the-nat...-lucas-giolito/ Well that was uninspiring for him

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:16 AM) No it won't and that's the problem. There are only so many teams that can afford Sale and they will move on to lesser options at some point. We have some leverage now, we won't in a few weeks. It will, easily. Just because a team moves on does not somehow downgrade Sales value to just one top prospect. Sales value is what it is.

Giolito and Robles or its equivalent will be there for Sale months from now. 0 reason to rush into that on the first day of the winter meetings.

QUOTE (Real @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:25 AM) trading guys like Chris Sale who's paid peanuts for the next three years is also unprecedented. way to look at only one side of the story though So what is the closest thing to this trade? Off the top of my head it's Andrew Miller (top pitching prospect who is MLB ready) and Cameron Maybin (top hitting prospect with limited experience ) +parts for Miguel Cabrera. Obviously one of the worst trades in MLB history. I'm sure there's something better though.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:16 AM) Real talk, but can anyone name a single trade where a team got two top 10-15 prospects? There's only been a handful of these guys moved in the past decade, so I seriously doubt it's ever happened. Therefore, getting two top 10-15 prospects would pretty much be unprecedented. And despite that, people b**** these guys aren't appropriate centerpieces. Trading a Chris Sale is also unprecedented

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:02 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/katoh-proje...nals-prospects/ Where are you seeing 40? It says 60+ here. Your link is from April to be fair and his does say 40 at top of his current player page. I don't know what the discrepancy is. If I had to guess is having a "poor" even half a season a low level changed it quite a bit.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:42 PM) Why do posters want this front office to be responsible for a rebuild, again? Pretty much where I'm at with it. Soxtalk despises the front office more than anything yet want them to rush into making the most important trade in the history of this franchise. Although we are stuck with them so.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:28 PM) Holy s***. A post-TJS pitcher who sucked out loud in his MLB debut, and a sub .800 OPS in A+ bat is the centerpiece of a supposed "franchise altering return?" After seeing what Shelby f***ing Miller cost, the domestic abuser Chapman cost, and what Andrew Miller cost, this proposed deal is a f***ing insult to SOX fans. You've got to be f***ing kidding me. Unless there are significant additions to this deal, we should be disgusted as fans. Haha completely over the top but I love it Reminds me of something one of the national reporters said a few years back. Want to say it was Keith Law, that 29 fanbases way over value their own teams talent. And then there's White Sox fans who do just the opposite. I do get that vibe in this thread.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:26 PM) This mindset is ridiculous. Giolito was ranked higher than Turner, Bregman, & Benintendi by Baseball America in their mid-season update. Only difference is he's a pitcher and he struggled in his first major league opportunity. And honestly, that's the only reason he's even available. Had he performed as well as those other guys in his cup of coffee he would not be available either. And why Urias is a big name player, but Giolito is not? What am I missing here? And Robles is as good of a second piece as you're going to get. This proposed Nationals offer is far from settling if there are another few quality pieces in the deal. The idea we have to get Bregman or Benintendi or the trade is a epic fail is f***ing stupid. And still none of what you said changes that their best piece is still Turner. The Sox are not the ones who would be closing off and rushing negotiations when they fail to include that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) Hahn should tell the Red Sox & Astros the door closes by midnight. Don't give them or the Nationals time to consider other alternatives. Pressure Boston or Houston to top Washington in the next few hours or I say accept this Giolito/Robles offer. Absurd. They're already settling by not getting one of the big name players. There is no need to rush this.

Sox about to trade a borderline hall of fame talent and not get the best young tradeable piece? Doubt it.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 08:15 PM) Illinois just got a 4* JuCo QB that was committed to VTech. Has offers from almost everyone. Impressive Jeremy Werner seeks to indicate the staff doesn't know about that, ha. Edit: okay he reversed course a bit: "I can now confirm that #illini have taken a commitment from former Virginia Tech QB Dwayne Lawson."

It's a failure if they can't get turner.