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QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 11:00 PM) Lets not panic after two games. Things will look better soon, hopefully. but we're White Sox fans... things never get better!

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Apr 4, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) Otherside. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw a thread titled "How long"

How long how long will I slide Separate my side I dont I dont believe its bad Slit my throat Its all I ever I heard your voice through a photograph I thought it up it brought up the past Once you know you can never go back Ive got to take it on the otherside

Dumb observation that might be completely wrong: Cooper is very, very good at taking a talented, but slightly flawed pitcher and correcting that flaw. Usually, good results yield. However, I'm not so sure he's good at making continued adjustments or at getting established pitchers to make adjustments as hitters adjust to what they are doing. I wonder if Thornton won't be Exhibit A for this phenomenon.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Apr 3, 2007 -> 04:11 PM) ...along with Brian Anderson. and all the other white players

QUOTE(WCSox @ Apr 2, 2007 -> 11:24 AM) That sucks. I'm sure that he'll catch on somewhere else later this season. Maybe the Southside!

Crashed and burned, eh Mav?

So has anything good happened today?

Welp, see ya next year!

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Apr 1, 2007 -> 03:55 AM) http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...phia-phillies2/ Look at that. They're actually surprised to have received Garcia for only Gonzalez/Floyd. As if to suggest Williams only could have asked for those two because he knew Garcia wasn't healthy. Which is probably true, but doesn't necessarily imply that other general managers were aware. Professional baseball organizations aren't always run by savvy, intelligent baseball minds. Not requesting a physical for someone with an 88mph fastball should suggest as much. I've come to a point where I'm entirely convinced the following events occurred leading up to the Garcia deal: 1. Williams realizes Garcia's velocity decline wasn't the result of the World Baseball Classic, or October baseball, and understands it may never return to previous levels. He'll need to leave. 2. An instruction is sent out for scouts to monitor Philadelphia's farm system 3. White Sox scouts (in addition to Williams own observations) identify Gonzalez and Floyd. 4. During Winter League discussions, Williams offers Garcia to various clubs but no one is willing to accept him for an appropriate price. 5. Near the end of the Winter Meetings; fearing Garcia's stock may fall further -- or teams seeking pitching may seek alternative options -- Williams inquires about the availability of Gonzalez and Floyd. He's probably afraid of asking for a maximum return in the event Gilleck rejects the proposal, and yet another option is off the table. So, he settles for less to guarantee a trade. 6. Gilleck and his executives are shocked by the low request and immediately accept the offer. Initial thoughts within the organization are the move may be a salary dump. People can still hold their heads in the sand, dismiss the article as biased; whatever. We could and should have received more for Garcia. I don't care if his arm falls off tomorrow and he never pitches again. When fans of Philadelphia themselves realize Garcia was exchanged for so little, then you begin to wonder. I think what you outlined is fairly realistic and I think that it demonstrates a fair amount of savvy on the part of Williams. Dumping Garcia was part salary dump and part opening a starter spot (since poor performance was anticipated). Getting Gonzalez back was basically a bonus.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 09:59 AM) I never understood why people didn't like this trade up here. At the time, the people in Texas thought they were fleeced, I thought we fleeced them, most of us here even thought that I think. This won't be George Bell for Sammy Sosa esque, but it will be a trade Texas regrets a lot. I think McCarthy was a board favorite. Who knows, maybe he ever partied with some of the regulars here.

Based on Danks' performance, this will probably be a great trade for us. Now factor in that Masset could be quite solid out of the pen this season and a future starter... and I think the Sox are clear winners given their players can stay healthy.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Mar 17, 2007 -> 09:43 PM) If Logan makes the team, I'm going to be worried. Seems like people have the same mancrush over him like they did with Jeff B. or with Logan last season

QUOTE(shoota @ Mar 17, 2007 -> 04:53 PM) Ronge should have asked Coop why Sisco, Aardsma and especially Floyd haven't experienced a pitching epiphany yet this spring. Sometimes it takes time. I don't think there were many Thornton fans coming out of spring trianing last year.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 17, 2007 -> 03:44 PM) If anyone knows the name of a broadway production which absolutely bombed they can use that for Lance Broadway. How about The Porn Star (TPS for short)

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 17, 2007 -> 12:49 PM) I am an Aardsma fan, think he has some upside, but he has shown no signs that he can get big league hitters out. I suppose Jenks really hasn't either, but he has 100+ quality major league innings to fall back on. ?

If by lovers you mean Ozzie insulted him.

One quick note: apparently Locke DID NOT check-mate the computer if you look at the screen shot.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 01:36 PM) I think he was just speaking in general terms. Like why should a team rip up a cheap contract and give the player a new lucrative deal for overperforming when they can't rip up a lucrative deal for a cheap one when a player underperforms. yeah, that's my point basically.

I'm not sure a Marky-Mark jersey is useless, even if he leaves after 2007. I don't think I'd call my "Black" Jack McDowell jersey useless...

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 09:41 AM) Your right in principle, but simply put, any pro team that won't rip up cheap, older contracts will be known as cheap, regardless of if it's right or wrong. Also, I'm not sure how that applies to Briggs. He signed a 4 year contract, played it out, and now he's getting screwed. Thing is, that's not the Bears fault, but rather the fault of NFL ass kisser Gene Upshaw and his "players assocation" who let the franchise tag quagmire exist. When was the last time an underperforming player had his contract ripped up for a lesser one?

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 09:11 AM) I thought Javy threw better than his line yesterday. That is his epitaph.

At this point, he'd be a good fit for the Raiders

Something about "more years of Javier Vazquez" makes me want to put a gun to my head and pull the trigger, "fair market value" be damned.

So are we becoming anti-moneyball? Paying players with talent that don't produce?