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QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 08:19 PM) Yeah I wanna get in on this third... a PM would be great! I ask kindly to stop PM'ing me before this blows up more. Thanks guys.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 06:21 PM) yeah because i've never met a religious hypocrite. what about his body breaking down? No, but there's been articles about how he's the cleanest player in baseball. Doesn't drink, tobacco, any of that stuff.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 05:03 PM) wait what is that, Ryne Sandberg tested positive. haha huh?

QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 05:01 PM) I disagree. If I had gotten that far I wouldn't have used them... I'm sure there are a lot of players who feel the same way. I could see someone like J.D. Drew being 100% clean, as he has a strong religious background that frowns upon taking drugs.

QUOTE (wsgdf_2 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 04:43 PM) Just out of curiosity... why do you want him to be clean? He's always looked like a big mass of steroids to me... What's worse is his first 5-6 seasons have made Frank's first 5-6 seasons look a little less remarkable. I want him to go down! Because he's the best pure hitter I've seen in my lifetime...but like you said, he does look like a PED user and there's been tons of speculation about him being on PEDs.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 05:40 PM) You wouldn't be upset if it turned out that Big Frank was using them? Looking back on that generation, I'd like to think that at least Griffey and Thomas weren't using. If they go down, what heroes do we have left? Ripken? Gwynn? Mattingly? Certainly not Puckett, with all the unfortunate things we've heard about his off-field issues. Nope, Frank was never one of my favorite players.

ARod's comments were shocking in that he didn't even try to cause the situation to die down by denying them. I wonder if the Bonds situation is going to scare these athletes into not lying out of their ass (even though I know ARod wasn't talking to a federal grand jury).

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 05:28 PM) Please dont be on steroids Pujols... please please please. Sadly, I'd be shocked if he wasn't/isn't. I'm with you, he's the non-Sox player I'd most like to see clean.

QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 04:25 PM) We can always speculate and end up in Sports Illustrated again. Derek Jeter! Paul O'Neill! Bernie Williams! Am I getting warm? If the mods/admins give me the go ahead, I will give hints.

I was thinking about this list of 100 players, and wasn't that when the Sox decided to not take the test? Thus, it would seem that anyone on the 2003 team likely won't show up on the list as testing positive. In all honesty, the only two players who would disappoint me if I saw them on any steroid list are Konerko and Buehrle.

QUOTE (Jake @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 05:21 PM) And the other was...? PM me if you want to know, as I don't want the name traced back to this thread.

Not a surprise...I told some people on here about a story I heard how when the Yankees were visiting the Cell a few years ago, there were 3 players that asked an individual to hook them up with PEDs. 2 of those players were ARod and Giambi.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 6, 2009 -> 03:25 AM) i knew this would be a loss. just a bad time to go up there when the offense can't shoot worth s***. I talked to my friend who used to be a team manager for the Illini, and he said that the coaching staff despises Legion and he'd be surprised if he stayed in the program after this season.

QUOTE (Gregory Pratt @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 08:18 PM) Afterward I thought, What if they can't get in? but if you really can't stack the line and push through for one yard on four tries, and if you don't trust your team to do that, there's something deathly wrong. With the way the officials were calling holding on every other play, you absolutely have to take the points when you can.

No one has pointed out how A. Rolle got into Fitzgerald's way on the INT return at the end of the half, preventing him from tackling Harrison around the 10.

So yeah, tonight's going to have the Knicks fans saying they don't really want Lebron on their team.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 4, 2009 -> 04:48 PM) I heard Quentin was going to the Cubs for all of their pitching prospects on the Score. You're forgetting that it was a 3 way trade in which we also give Poreda and some other pitching prospects to the Padres, while they send Peavy to the Cubs

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 4, 2009 -> 01:28 AM) Not really. I don't think he's any better than Tisdale or Davis, but he does have one less year of experience. I just think sometimes his attitude comes off as being a punk. There's being confident, and there's being cocky. I dunno, the Illinois game rubbed me the wrong way I guess. I also saw him staring down a player on MSU. Both times they were losing. Mullens is significantly better than Mike Davis now. Davis has been a huge disappointment in Big 10 play (and yes, I know he was sick).

Also, sorry to derail this thread with talk about lineup construction. We can keep it about rumors regarding Abreu and any signing ramifications, as we'll have plenty of time for lineup talk.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 06:06 PM) Speed isnt always stealing bases or bunting like you seem to picture. Its being able to move up a base on a wild pitch or a bobble. Its being able to move into sac fly position with 1 out, going from 1st to 3rd on a bloop and being able to take dp's out. THATS the kind of speed we need. Agreed, like good base runners like Abreu.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 06:06 PM) I would say the complete opposite, that you arent taking into account the type of power hitters we have. Thome is a strike out machine and Konerko is a DP machine. This team needs runners off of first base and in scoring position as often as possible, and with high avg hitters like Q, Konerko (maybe) and Dye behind them, they need to be able to move from first to third and score from second on a hit. Speed in front of these sluggers is very important. If you put Thome at the lead off position and he was station to station, would you think it wouldnt matter if someone with speed was in that spot? My personal opinion is that our best lineup would be Thome leading off with Alexei batting 2nd, if that gives you some insight into how I'd manage at the Cell. I completely agree we need to break up the 3/4/5/6, especially if AJP is batting 2nd or 7th.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 07:03 PM) Also the Cell has a lot do to with the lineup the Sox should pursue. Absolutely, as does a pitching staff that might take some lumps this season.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 07:00 PM) Or more runs scored due to their ability to score on an extra base hit before a hitter who is prone to hitting into double plays or striking out comes to the plate. For most teams, I'd say speed is important at the top of the order. For the Sox, I think it's extremely overrated with the current middle of our order. If we start shaking it up and replace people like Thome and Konerko, then I would change my opinion. The last thing we all need to see is bunting in the first inning because Ozzie has one of his speedy guys on base.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 05:56 PM) which really bums me out. That's fine, as you couldn't have Thome/Dunn in same lineup.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 05:56 PM) Don't we already have that in Thome/Konerko/Dye/Quentin? Wrong All speed does in front of a bunch of power hitters is equate to fewer base runners after they get caught stealing.