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I'd rather just wait for him to be a FA and sign him instead of having to trade for him at his peak value.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 05:40 AM) Laughable. I'll take Tim Lincecum anyday of the week. Nothing he wants that is realistic to be traded.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 05:30 AM) And the Giants picked up most all of his ~$5.1M salary for Randy f***ing Messenger. I saw Messenger pitch on Wednesday vs Cubs, and he was very impressive. To be honest, he looked a lot like what Jenks does this year. 96 mph fastball with a sharp curve. Benitez looks terrible this season. I can't stand his attitude, and he's such an obvious former steroid user.

QUOTE(TheHolyBovine @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 05:28 AM) And as soon as that happens, KW should not only be fired, but banned from baseball entirely. I think it would be Ozzie clamoring to bring him back. Sadly, I'm sure you'll hear us associated with the likes of Chone Figgins, David Eckstein, etc.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 05:26 AM) They have nothing I want. I wonder if we might have been discussing a Benitez for MacDougal type of trade. Of course, Benitez was traded to the Marlins late tonight.

I'll guarantee that the Sox will bring back Erstad next season, even if he doesn't meet his option incentives.

The Tribune is reporting that the Giants have had a scout in attendance at the last two Sox series. Maybe we're seeing if we can trade one of our AARP players for one of theirs.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 04:07 AM) Chris Young has a .314 obp right now. I think he's going to be a good player, but if Fields came up and put up those kind of numbers everyone would be ready to crucify him. I love when people take one stat and try to base their argument around it when there's other stats that prove the player is performing well. I'm pretty sure that Chris Young would have the 2nd highest OPS on the roster for our starters.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 03:40 AM) Fathom, I think that you'd agree that even if Kenny put together the PERFECT, ideal winter, the Sox still wouldn't be much better than where they are now. I was expecting more creativity from KW. A lot of us thought he was collecting young arms in order to then make a trade for a superstar like Carl Crawford. With all of the momentum the organization had earned from the 2005 and 2006 season in regards to attendance, I had higher hopes that KW would bring in one more superstar to try and keep the momentum going for at least another season. I have no problem with him rebuilding, but I thought it should have been done after this current season. I hated the Garcia trade, as he was our best chip to go ahead and add another talent to the major league team. When you look at how much the Astros gave up to get Jennings, I really think we could have gotten more than a good, but not great prospect, in Gio and the crap that is Gavin Floyd. I honestly think Gio's best value to this team would be to trade him again, as his numbers are skewed by pitching in Birmingham and padding his stats against a few real bad hitting teams. I still think we messed up by not including Perez on the 25 man roster. Thome is worthless against LHP. Also, I still think Ozzie messed up by putting Toby Hall at first base. It was a stupid decision on his half.

QUOTE(pale_hose @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 02:47 AM) Why not Dye and Lance Broadway for Carl Crawford? I assume you meant Danks, and not Dye?

Prince Fielder has taken over the role from Bonds and Pujols as the most exciting player to watch bat.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:54 AM) Is it really deteriorating, or is it Coop wanting him to throw softer for more command and movement? Who the hell knows with this s***ty coaching staff we have. All I know is that if you want someone to kill your team's momentum, Vazquez is your man.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:42 AM) Well we may not have a choice. Our outfield is easily the worst in baseball right now. We will see. Ozzie has already seen sweeney and andersen, and has not seen owens. what the heck the season is over anyway. The truck is slowly backing up. Worst outfield, and the worst double play combo up the middle. How does a 100 million dollar payroll team have so many holes?

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:42 AM) Their numbers are real close except for slugging percentage and, consequently, OPS. I remember Young started slowly, but he's committed two errors to Erstad's one. It's not as bad as you and a few more make it out to be. Holy cow, please don't bring up errors as a way to judge defense. Erstad didn't get an error for the debacle in Anaheim, as well as the game-deciding misplay he made against the Yankees. Chris Young's offense has been much better than Erstad this year, end of story. QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:48 AM) Decent stuff? He has great stuff, probably the best on the White Sox. But you're right, his downfall has been his lack of "fire" and very questionable pitch selections. I also wouldn't say he has no heart as he busts his ass day in and day out. I have heard nothing but great things about his work ethic. His stuff is deteriorating too quickly for my tastes. His fastball, which was once 94-95 mph, is now in the 89-91 mph range.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:36 AM) As much as I want Buerhle resigned, unless he agrees to a 3 year deal before the trade deadline, which isn't going to happen, and so a trade is going to have to be made, I'd prefer 2 major league ready prospects, and another mid-level guy. I'd want 2 pitchers, and one young offensive player who can step in, and it would really nice if he could play SS. The only way I could justify not trading him is if they move Dye, and Williams, who usually says what is on his mind, comes out and says that resigning Buerle would be at the top of our off-season priorites. Who cares if signing Buehrle is a top priority....once he gets to the open market, we're f***ed. We desperately wanted to bring back Colon, but we couldn't match the Angels offer.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:38 AM) So Vazquez is not a good pitcher? Nope, especially for the amount of money he's made in his career. He's never had a good season outside of Montreal, which was a great pitcher's park and he had no pressure on him.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:36 AM) Even if owens comes up I doubt Ozzie would put him leading off the guy has never hit major league pitching and he is still learning to steal bases. I speculate that maybe Iguchi will lead off, but what do I know. Nothign really except we have no minors worth a damn. Disagree....Ozzie loves his slappy/speed guys at the top of the order. You know I agree with you with how pathetic our minor league system is.

QUOTE(Allsox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:34 AM) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good one! Oh wait, you're serious? How can anyone say with a straight face that Erstad has been better than Chris Young this year? Maybe he was looking at the hitting starts for Chris Young, the pitcher on the Padres.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:34 AM) neither yet, although the idea behind this offseason's moves was absolutely baffling at the time, and the results are not surprising. Well said....this crap started during the offseason. KW isn't a good enough manager to try and build a WS contender AND get younger during the same offseason.

So now the battle cry will be: wait until July when Erstad and Pods are back!

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:25 AM) What's your problem with Vaz? That was a good extension considering what pitchers with worse stuff and track records got this offseason. And he is a good pitcher. Plus, Erstad has out-played Young this season..... Oh good grief, please tell me this is sarcasm.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:26 AM) There are only two more reasons to watch Sox baseball at this point, for me, besides the obvious "It's Sox baseball!" And one of them is gone in July. - Development of Danks - Thome's chase for 500 homers

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:21 AM) I'm sure Anderson will step right into the lead off position and be a leader on the team, both in the field and at the plate. Personally, I'd like to see him get the chance again. If he shows no improvement at all this year, then you move him during the offseason. I don't feel like seeing Sweeney break his bat and ground out 3 times a game right now.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jun 1, 2007 -> 01:21 AM) Erstad walking better already, with the help of crutches. No bone damage, but ligament damage. He'll be out 2 months then, and likely won't be 100 pct the rest of the year. What middle infielder can we call up now?

Jermaine Dye and Mark Buehrle would be possibly the two best players available for a buyer.